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Old 04-03-2007, 12:34 PM   #106
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Headache, I like your idea about the dollar sign.

I think Clemens was with Houston longer than Toronto.
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He accomplished more with Toronto however.
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Email I received from one of my compadres in Houston:

The Sports Guy strikes again.
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He accomplished more with Toronto however.
i report, you decide

toronto
2 seasons - 67 games pitched
21-7, 2.05 era, 292 K's
20-6, 2.65 era, 271 K's
41-13 total - 563 K's, 2 cy youngs
led league both seasons in wins, strikeouts & era
0 post-season appearances

houston
3 seasons - 84 games pitched
18-4, 2.98 era, 218 K's
13-8, 1.87 era, 185 K's
7-6, 2.30 era, 102 K's
38-18 total - 505 K's, 1 cy young
led league in era once
2 post-season appearances, 1 world series apperance


if you go on sheer stats, toronto wins... if post-season is what matters to you, houston wins.

in reality, neither matters 'cause it's still a two horse race between boston and the yankees.
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Old 04-03-2007, 03:07 PM   #110
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No matter what hat Roger wears in Cooperstown, he should show up for the induction wearing eyeblack just like the 90 ALCS.
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and a hyperdemic needle hanging out of his ass
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word is kansas city just gave this guy 12mill per

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so exactly how long does st. louis plan on dragging this world series celebration out?
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I could see Clemens going back to the Red Sox, but honestly? I don't think he's the dominating pitcher he once was, and I don't see him doing a Nolan Ryan in any way, shape or form. (I'd *still* be afraid of Ryan's fastball if he was pitching, his age notwithstanding!) Quite frankly I see a lot of money being spent but whoever spends it not getting as much as they think they will.
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nolan ryan from age 40 on
40 - 8-16, 2.76 era (led NL)
41 - 12-11, 3.52 era
42 - 16-10, 3.20 era
43 - 13-9, 3.44 era
44 - 12-6, 2.91 era
45 - 5-9, 3.72 era
46 - 5-5, 4.88 era
career - 324-292, 3.19 era
27 seasons, 2 20 win seasons
zero cy youngs, zero mvps

roger clemens from age 40 on
40 - 17-9, 3.91 era
41 - 18-4, 2.98 era
42 - 13-8, 1.87 era (led NL)
43 - 7-6, 2.30 era
career - 348-178, 3.10 era
23 seasons, 6 20 win seasons
7 cy youngs, 1 mvp


roger clemens blows nolan ryan away.
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Frankly, when all is said and done Clemens will be regarded as possibly the greatest pitcher since Cy Young, if not of all time...and its accurate.

Damn you Dan Duquette.
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they should rename the award the Roger Clemens Award.

he is the greatest pitcher of all time.
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While a couple of guys matched him in their respecitve primes, I'd have to agree that the way Clemens pitched consistently for 23 years puts him as the best pitcher of all-time.
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