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Old 03-27-2007, 06:34 PM   #31
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at least Shea is unique right now. soon the Mets will have a ballpark thats just like everybody else's new stadiums. the many historic moments are what give Shea its character, like Wainwright striking out Beltran.
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thus then, by that theory, the future moments will give the new stadium it's character...

the irony of this conversation is, of course, that shea stadium is one of the cookie cutter stadiums from the 60s that were designed, more or less, exactly the same, with uniform demensions... shea, dodger stadium, three rivers, riverfront, busch, the big a... heck, even the astrodome (shea was originaly supposed to be enclosed with a domed roof)... and here you are saying that they should keep one of the last of the cookie cutter stadiums because it's "unique."

irony abounds.
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i thought it was a shame they tore down Busch as well. these new retro stadiums are the new cookie cutters, and busch and shea were two of the nicer cookie cutters that had some history in them, thus making them unique in todays culture.
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Shea is a fucking dive. Always has been one, always will be one, until they scrap it. The Stadium is surrounded by junk yards and stray dogs. And, I say this not as a Met hater, but as a baseball lover. Shea has no charm whatsoever, and I look forward to their new ballpark. Most Met fans I know are like Headache...a little sad to see it go, cos it's their shithouse, but, more or less looking forward to the new stadium.
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I would say the only stadiums with true character are the oldest ones around, because of how unique they are.

Fenway Park
Wrigley Field
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i could care less if everyone made a new "retro" style stadium... they never should have gotten rid of that design style in the first place.

the designs may be "retro" but the stadiums do have their own style to them, as opposed to the cookie cutter, same dimension same exact design stadiums that they're taking the place of. the only similarity between CitiField and Citizen's Bank Park is that they both share names of banks... where as the Vet and Shea had almost the exact same dimensions, the only real difference being that the vet was enclosed and has turf where as shea was never finished and had grass. other than that they're just big, cavernous multi-use stadiums with little to no identifying characteristics.

entering and exiting shea is like entering a warehouse. now they've done as good a job as they can sprucing the place up in recent years but it's all just for show really... there's not much inviting about an endless hallway of concrete. if you sit on the field it's fine but if you end up in the upper deck you feel as if you're watching the game from a different county. the stadium is so friggin huge and so friggin round that if you come off the 7 train and you have seats near home plate you have to walk for friggin ever to get there, dodging traffic, potholes and if it rained recently, giant lake like puddles to get to one of the cluttered entrances.

i've been to citizen's bank and to coors field... and i was in complete envy of each stadium. wide concorses, great sightlines, unique characteristics, more bathrooms, more comfortable seating... all the things that shea doesn't have.

the new stadium will have more, easier to access entrances, more concession stands, more bathrooms, more comfortable seating, better sightlines, unique dimensions, the ability to walk 360 degrees around the field (unlike the giant wasteland that exists beyond the outfield at shea), improved drainage and walkways outside the stadium, and the city is rapidly trying to buy up the junkyards outside the parking lot to try and revitalie the entire area there... resturants, bars, etc. the only real bar that's really within legit walking distance, where you don't have to pass a dozen junkyards to get to, is in the lobby of the ramada, on the other side of the grand central parkway. the city wants to make the area by 126th street a vivrant community that people want to come to all year round, not just for met games and the US Open.

like i said... it'll be sad, 'cause it's my dump. but it's still a dump, and i can't wait for it to be replaced.
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I've been to several of the new line of stadiums: Citizens Bank, PNC, Jacobs, and Camden Yards, each of which was unique and had better sightlines. I've also been to Yankee Stadium, Shea, RFK, and the Vet, only one of which had good sightlines (Yankee) and all of which looked and felt remarkably similar. I'd say the new line of stadiums, from personal experience, are a very significant upgrade.

I think the only similarity between them honestly is that they are spacious and build for sightlines.
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It's almost opening day!

Safeco Field in Seattle is really nice, with the retractable roof, pleasing design, and that open-air thing where you can see onto the field from anywhere on the main concourse.

Plus the Intentional Wok sushi bar is a great name for a ballpark food stand.

Here's to hoping that the Mariners don't both suck AND blow yet again this year, thus forcing Ichiro into his inevitable move to the Yankees or some such other team that Seattle bitterly loathes.
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Evereybody sing:
Oogie oogie oogie oogie...


http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...24/1004/SPORTS

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Urbina faces 14 years in Venezuelan prison



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Former pitcher Ugueth Urbina was sentenced in Caracas, Venezuela, to 14 years in prison for the attempted murder of five workers on his family's ranch, the Attorney General's Office announced Wednesday.


Urbina, a former pitcher with the Montreal Expos, Boston Red Sox, Texas Rangers, Florida Marlins, Detroit Tigers and Philadelphia Phillies, was also found guilty of illegal deprivation of liberty and violating a prohibition against taking justice into his own hands during a dispute over a gun Oct. 16, 2005, according to a statement from the Attorney General's Office.
The 32-year-old free agent was accused of joining a group of men in attacking and injuring workers with machetes and pouring gasoline on them at his family's ranch, located about 25 miles south of Caracas.
Urbina repeatedly has denied involvement with the violence, saying he was sleeping at the time of the attack.
Urbina, a two-time All-Star, last pitched in the major leagues with the Phillies in 2005. He is 30th on the all-time saves list with 237.
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there goes another closer option for the red sox..
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I think we're pretty well set now at closer with Papelbon. Julian Tavarez can hold down the back end of the rotation until late May when Roger Clemens (already looking into renting space at Ritz Carlton Boston Common, but thats hush hush) makes his triumphant return to Boston.

(Yes Yankee fans, you heard it here first, that is what precipitated the move of Papelbon, they wouldn't pull a potential dominant starter out of the rotation without a backup plan).


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I thought Tavarez was just filling in until Lester was ready.
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Thats what they want you to think.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Hewson, I wish we could have a "just for fun" bet on Clemens returning to Boston or not. I don't think he will, but hey, you never know.

Meanwhile, over in YankeeLand, Steinbrenner's daughter, Jenny has announced that she is divorcing Steve Swindal. Swindal was to be named successor to The Boss, but now all of that is thrown out the window. Swindal was recently pulled over for DUI and that was definitely a big deal in YankeeLand as well as with his wife Jenny. It looks like one of The Boss' sons will take over for George when he's done.
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