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Old 06-10-2007, 10:56 PM   #421
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^^^ TOTALLY agree about the terror subplot! WTF?? They built that story up all season! And the same with Paulie and whether he was really loyal to Tony or not. And wtf was up with the cat and its love for Christopher's picture? Actually, that cat was probably the best part of the whole finale.
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This is TV! The viewers want SOMETHING to happen!


ah, but David Chase has been adament, since the beginning, about how much he hates TV. the resoultions, the conclusions, the lessons, the morality plays. so he gave us an anti-ending.

at first, i was pissed. i felt cheated. and we were. but The Sopranos has never, ever played by the rules, and the show kept its integrity to the last by never, ever pandering, even if it did, at first, feel like a gigantic "fuck you/nyah-nyah" to the viewer.

it felt somewhat contemptuous, like in "Fight Club," but i think we've hit the nail on the head: it was the viewer who was snuffed.

i'm currently working on a documentary about someone who was accused of killing a police officer, and one thing from an interview with forensic expert has stuck with me. if you were to ever get shot in the head, you'd never know it. the bullet travels faster than sound, so it would hit you and kill you before you ever heard the shot.

i think that's what happened here.

how many shot-to-the-head wackings have we seen over the past 8 years? this is what it feels like for the Departed, and now you, the viewer, experience it. no music, no climactic cresendos, no crying. the lights simply go out.

and such it is with life. not to get into a big FYM discussion, but let's face it -- there's a very strong possiblity that when you die, there's no Jesus, no Vishnu, no grandparents and pets waiting to greet you. just blackness and silence. (and especially with these characters, for whom there isn't a heaven). like it was before you were born.

in the end, Livia was right: "it's all a big nothing." and this was confirmed by Junior, who when Tony visited and he reminded him how he and his father used to run North Jersey, Junior's reponse: "isn't that special." all the time we spend worrying about stuff that doesn't matter, things we don't need, and people who are irrelevant. it all adds up to nothing in the end.

so, it was a Fuck You. but a brilliant, authentic Fuck You.

as life is.
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Old 06-10-2007, 10:59 PM   #423
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Re; the cat - Ade living out one of her nine lives?

We were all feeling the suspense, too, but I think it was a good way to go out and I had a sneaking suspicion all along we'd get this sort of ending.
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ok.. the one thing that totally cracked me up was the orange tabby cat.. Especially Paulie freaking out. I thought it was Chris coming back.. and how he kept staring at the pic of Chris..
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And another thing: What was the whole point of the terror subplot? What that even necessary? I mean, c'mon.


the terrorists saved Tony's ass.

he coughed up some info, the Feds let him know where Phil was.

also, Phil: best. death. ever.

Memphis and i laughed hysterically.
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Phil's death

I knew there was a reason I put Journey on the mixed CD I made this weekend.
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Orange Tabby Cat... Best part of the show!!!

Phil's death
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Chase knew that he couldn't please EVERYONE. If you killed Tony, people would be mad. If you don't kill Tony, other people would be mad.

So he left it out in the open.
exactly
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:13 PM   #429
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so, it was a Fuck You. but a brilliant, authentic Fuck YOU...
Like Tony said while using peyote, "I get it!"
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the terrorists saved Tony's ass.

he coughed up some info, the Feds let him know where Phil was.

But to me, they seemed to make it out to be more than it should have been. I was so confused about the whole point of the terrorists. But to have it seem like it helped out Tony in the end, seems pretty lame. I still don't know if I am making any sense, just like *in Tony Soprano's voice*

"That whole mutha-fuckin God-Damn cock-sucking ending."
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haha..I like the idea of the cat being adrianna in another life..haha and staring at christopher..
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People on the HBO site seem to think the blackness was Tony's.
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I've been trying to get on the HBO site for over an hour now! It's so flooded, I can't get through!
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i also think that we have seen, in a sense, Tony in hell.

the final scene was frought with tension, as the family tried to do something as simple as go out to dinner.

what Tony has done is make sure that none of them is ever safe. they are always in peril, and at any moment, the piano could drop and they all could be wiped out.

and so could we all.
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Wow, Just wow. I'm fascinated by Irvine's analysis.

I had scheduled the TiVo for 15 minutes extra in case the show ran over the 1:05 that it was scheduled for. That whole scene in the diner - my heart was pounding, practically biting my nails to see what was gonna happen. Tony flippin' the jukebox, and songs long Magic Man, Don't Stop Believin', I'm A Believer (I think, I'll have to rewind and check), and another one with the word Lonely in the title. I thought for sure someone was getting whacked. Was the guy who walked in behind AJ and sat at the counter ever in the series before?

And yes, Phil's death. Da best
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