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Old 05-22-2006, 11:25 AM   #196
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I thought it was honest. That entire scene made me wince and I had to look away.

The worse part for me, honestly, even more so than that, was the scene with the kids reading the paper.
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Old 05-22-2006, 11:39 AM   #197
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I found it painful for the children to read the newspaper release about their father....

I would have loved to seen a cut-away of "johnny-cakes" reading the morning report...
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while i was expecting the end of Vito i was a little bit disappointed when it happened.

it seems as if each season ends with the inevitable whacking that has been brewing the whole season -- Jackie Jr., Adriana, now Vito -- and for a show that always refuses to pander and often thwarts what we have come to expect from scripted drama, i found it predictable, yet it was worse when it happened than i thought it was going to be. in addition to the kids reading the paper, i thought it devastating when the photographer flipped through the photos of the Slim Club (or whatever it was) and the final shot of the episode was the photo of Vito that was the first shot of him from the first episode of the season, smiling, happy, had just accomplished something.

and it really would be nice to see a drama involving a gay man that didn't involve him either being bashed or dying of AIDS.
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did you find it gratutious -- or honest?

I guess it was honest because everyone I was watching it with screamed and looked away. Gratuitous usually leaves me cold.

I had empathy for Vito up until he shot that guy in the back last week and then I realized he's no different from Phil with his prostate cancer and Tony with his therapy and everybody else--they're all horrible creeps who live by violence and die by violence and have real-life problems that we can identify with sometimes. This one happened to be gay and was certainly an interesting twist for that culture. But Vito had to go, and we knew it would be brutal. Still it made me ill.

It was so ugly but real to see everyone talking about how the church is "very clear" on its stance about homosexuality and must be obeyed. Has the church not made its stance on murder and adultery clear lately? LOL

The children were heart-wrenching.
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It was so ugly but real to see everyone talking about how the church is "very clear" on its stance about homosexuality and must be obeyed. Has the church not made its stance on murder and adultery clear lately? LOL


great point! i thought the show did a great job getting at this, particularly with Phil's ultra-sanctimonious wife.
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As for the violence

we really did not see Vito getting hit
just the swinging pool cues

we did see him bound and gagged
then it cut away


the guy that got stabbed in the kitchen was a much more violent scene
but we were not invested in him or his family and children

joyful makes a good point about others that get killed

a couple a weeks back some Vipers got killed for a few hundred dollars in wine
and it was a big joke
"We're Vipers" ha ha

Tony should be really upset
he expected to get $200,000 from Vito before he had him whacked
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while i was expecting the end of Vito i was a little bit disappointed when it happened.
I actually was surprised they killed him!
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the guy that got stabbed in the kitchen was a much more violent scene
but we were not invested in him or his family and children
You're right--that's the scene that made us scream and look away, actually, although the noise of beating Vito, the description later of what happened to him, and the scene you mention all added up to leaving an impression of this as an unusually violent episode.
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You're right--that's the scene that made us scream and look away, actually, although the noise of beating Vito, the description later of what happened to him, and the scene you mention all added up to leaving an impression of this as an unusually violent episode.


agreed. it was the sound of the pool cues that made me ill, and my friend and i both yelled and looked away.

it was much more unsettling, i think, than lots of blood.

i also think Tony actually did want to give Vito a pass -- mostly for money, but also because it seemed as if he was genuinely liked by the crew, as evidenced by Silvo's overreaction to the visit by the guy who then got stabbed. i also thought everyone's reaction to Vito's death, and the pool cue, was genuinely sad and not, at first, about Phil overstepping his bounds. it seemed as if much of the "Finook" talk was more bravado than not.

what gets me, though, is how the camera never shys away from what i personally find more upsetting -- Vito (or Adriana) begging for their life, the look of horror when they are confronted with certain death.
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what gets me, though, is how the camera never shys away from what i personally find more upsetting -- Vito (or Adriana) begging for their life, the look of horror when they are confronted with certain death.
Yep. I still miss Adriana, too. She was a great character. Vito I felt slightly less sorry for because he was a cold blooded murderer himself but I still feel scarred from seeing Adriana begging for her life and crawling away but at least (as I recall) she was killed quickly and not beat to death. I also thought Vito would be killed off next week instead of this week so I wonder what they are saving for the season finale.
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Chris-tah-fuh!



i miss her too. poor thing. i'll never forget her puking on the FBI table.
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i miss her too. poor thing. i'll never forget her puking on the FBI table.
I always felt so terribly sorry for her...

The cameos this season have made me miss her even more.
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I always felt so terribly sorry for her...

The cameos this season have made me miss her even more.
With every cameo I get excited thinking somehow she got away and they're bringing her back. Denial is a powerful thing, lol.
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With every cameo I get excited thinking somehow she got away and they're bringing her back. Denial is a powerful thing, lol.

Oh, I know. Wouldn't that have been awesome had it not really been Carm's imagination?

When Chris found out that chick was pregnant I thought back to when he and Ade found out she couldn't conceive and the beating he gave her because of that. It's stuff like that, while I'd love to see her come back, makes me sort of happy she's gone, because he made her suffer so much.
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I have a feeling that Carmela is going to put two and two together very soon and realize that Tony is indirectly responsible for the deaths of Adriana, Jackie Jr., and Vito. Then the shit is really going to hit the fan!
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