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Old 11-29-2006, 12:15 AM   #76
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Archie will see to TomCoff getting canned so Eli doesn't lose any of his money.

(No concerns in the Manning household about winning titles, just getting the most bucks)
Has any Manning ever actually won a title after high school ?

Seems to me IIRC that Peyton choked away a few opportunities in college, destined to be another Marino I guess. Pretty stats, great arm, wilts under fire.

Don't recall Brady or Montana throwing their teammates under the bus like Manning has done with his OL/Kicker in the past.
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Having a young stud pass-rushing DE AND a franchise QB in the making AND a reliable kicker isn't coming out ahead when all you had to give up was one franchise QB ?
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anyone who knows anything about football knows that shawne merriman is an outside linebacker who only shifts to d-end on certain schemes the chargers call.

and anyone who knows anything about football knows, injruies aside, that even if merriman was primarily a d-end, the giants aren't exactly hurting in that category considering that both of their d-end's made the pro-bowl last year.
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:34 AM   #78
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anyone who knows anything about football knows that shawne merriman is an outside linebacker who only shifts to d-end on certain schemes the chargers call.

and anyone who knows anything about football knows, injruies aside, that even if merriman was primarily a d-end, the giants aren't exactly hurting in that category considering that both of their d-end's made the pro-bowl last year.
Still doesn't negate that the Giants gave up more than they got in the trade.

They could sure use Merriman right now !

Or they could have used that pick to fill another hole at the time, lots of good players at #12 !
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if eli turns out to be a bust, then it's an awful trade.

if eli turns into the quarterback they thought he would, wins a championship, then no one gives a crap about shawne merriman and a friggin kicker.

so, thus then, if you're sold that eli will forever suck, then it's a bad trade. if you've watched every single game he's played in his NFL career, seen his highest highs and lowest lows, and aren't quite ready to give up on him after just two seasons, then the jury is still out.
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As a Giant fan, I think they should stick with Eli. The jury is still out. Same thing with Rivers.
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i hate all mannings but i dont mind eli so much just because he doesnt seem like a huge flaming douchebag like peyton is. but to say he will suck forever is a bit of a stretch. agreed that the jury is still out, but as of now it looks like the chargers got a pretty good deal out of it. if however manning develops into an elite quarterback like he's supposed to, then as headache said nobody will give five shits about nate kaeding and shawn merriman.

i would give it another 2-3 years before accurately judging this trade. rivers could fall completely apart next year or later this year. he's played what, 11, 12 games? whoopdie do.
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so, thus then, if you're sold that eli will forever suck, then it's a bad trade. if you've watched every single game he's played in his NFL career, seen his highest highs and lowest lows, and aren't quite ready to give up on him after just two seasons, then the jury is still out.
I guess we'll just wait until the end of everyone's career and decide then and only then if it was a good trade or not.

Likewise, we should do the same with the Vick trade.

If the Giants fans are happy with it, good for them. Living close to them I know the Chargers fans think they got the better of both deals. Everyone's happy. No need to discuss.
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i hate all mannings but i dont mind eli so much just because he doesnt seem like a huge flaming douchebag like peyton is.
Tell me more about your opinion on what a "flaming douchebag" is.......just curious.
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Tell me more about your opinion on what a "flaming douchebag" is.......just curious.

somebody whos a gigantic douchebag... aka peyton manning for a plethora of reasons.
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like what reasons?
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I guess we'll just wait until the end of everyone's career and decide then and only then if it was a good trade or not.

Likewise, we should do the same with the Vick trade.
vick and tomlinson are both established NFL veterans. rivers, eli manning and merriman are not. big difference.

when rivers and eli have both been in the league for 6 years like vick and tomlinson, then you can make the judgement.


ya see... the way things look right now the chargers let a guy walk who might threaten dan marino's single season record for passing yards for rivers.

who's having the better year? drew brees by far. but if rivers leads the team to the super bowl, who gives a shit about brees, right?

same thing with eli vs. rivers. if rivers ultimately turns out to be the better QB, but eli is solid and helps lead the giants to a championship, then who gives a shit about who got the better of the trade... both teams are happy.
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like what reasons?
consistantly throwing his teammates under the bus.

now many other people do that and don't get treated the same way... tiki barber for one. he's beloved, but he throws his guys under the bus all the time.

i guess it's that peyton is considered to be this all time great QB, yet consistantly chokes in the big game and has the tendency to blame someone else when it happens that makes many people think he's an uber-douche.

probably not completely fair, but i would imagine that's the main reason.
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vick and tomlinson are both established NFL veterans. rivers, eli manning and merriman are not. big difference.

when rivers and eli have both been in the league for 6 years like vick and tomlinson, then you can make the judgement.


No no no, we can't. We must wait. After all "one day" one of them may lead their team to a championship a la trent dilfer. We must wait.

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ya see... the way things look right now the chargers let a guy walk who might threaten dan marino's single season record for passing yards for rivers.


Oh, you mean another no-title strong armed QB who chokes in the big one ? Another pretty stats guy ?

And since we're on the "ya see"'s, the Giants as part of the package gave away someone who might threaten Strahan's sack record. As well as what might be a QB with more heart. We shall see, eh ? Let us wait......


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who's having the better year? drew brees by far. but if rivers leads the team to the super bowl, who gives a shit about brees, right?

same thing with eli vs. rivers. if rivers ultimately turns out to be the better QB, but eli is solid and helps lead the giants to a championship, then who gives a shit about who got the better of the trade... both teams are happy.

A Manning winning a national title ? yah, right !



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this argument is completely useless.

you're talking about a comparison between one guy who hasn't started a full season yet and a guy who's barely completed two full seasons vs. guys who've had at least 5 full seasons as NFL starters.

after 5 years if eli still sucks and rivers is still good, yes... chargers win, giants fucked up.

in 5 years if brees is a hall of famer and rivers sucks, chargers fucked up. if eli's good on top of it and merriman continues to have drug related issues, chargers fucked up big time.

it's still way too early to tell on both sides. eli's been in the league longer and has more experience. so if you want to lean that he sucks, fine. rivers hasn't done shit yet. merriman has had one great year and a year in which he's been suspended for taking illegal steroids. quite a big difference between comparing a guy who's breaking every record in the book vs. a 6 year vet with a 1 to 1 career TD to INT ratio.

two/three seaons into your nfl career, ya really don't have the complete story on how good a QB can be. 6 years? yea... ya know what he is by then.
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