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Old 08-27-2004, 10:47 AM   #136
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Old 08-27-2004, 06:02 PM   #137
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Australia is coming fifth in the Last Place Finisher tally

Country #LPF #Ath
1 Greece 8 518
2 Poland 6 215
3 France 5 342
4 China 5 416
5 Australia 5 513
6 Kyrgyzstan 4 32
7 Bulgaria 4 102
8 Switzerland 4 125
9 Great Britain 4 278
10 Italy 4 448
11 United States 4 614
12 Slovakia 3 66
13 Uzbekistan 3 70
14 Slovenia 3 82
15 Egypt 3 106
16 Hungary 3 266
17 Canada 3 302
18 Germany 3 512
19 Russia 3 514
20 Somalia 2 2
21 Samoa 2 3
22 Palestine * 2 4
23 Burundi 2 8
24 Macedonia 2 10
25 Mongolia 2 20
26 Venezuela 2 51
27 Algeria 2 64
28 Denmark 2 96
29 Kazakhstan 2 128
30 Mexico 2 134
31 Belarus 2 153
32 New Zealand 2 154
33 Ukraine 2 255
34 Brunei Darussalam 1 1
35 São Tomé & Príncipe 1 2
36 American Samoa 1 3
— Liberia 1 3
— Nauru 1 3
39 Aruba 1 4
40 Benin 1 4
— Cent. African Rep. 1 4
— Guyana 1 4
— Malawi 1 4
— Maldives 1 4
— Niger 1 4
— Palau 1 4
— St. Lucia 1 4
48 Laos 1 5
— Rwanda 1 5
50 Albania 1 6
— Nepal 1 6
— Syria 1 6
53 Bolivia 1 7
— Malta 1 7
— U.S. Virgin Islands 1 7
56 Andorra 1 8
— El Salvador 1 8
— Fiji 1 8
— Jordan 1 8
— Libya 1 8
— Namibia 1 8
62 Mauritius 1 9
— Turkmenistan 1 9
64 Bahrain 1 10
65 Vietnam 1 11
66 Peru 1 12
67 Uganda 1 15
68 Philippines 1 16
69 Senegal 1 17
70 Armenia 1 18
71 Cyprus 1 23
72 Saudi Arabia 1 28
73 Hong Kong 1 34
74 North Korea 1 36
75 Moldova 1 37
76 Azerbaijan 1 39
77 Iran 1 40
78 Estonia 1 44
— Puerto Rico 1 44
80 Kenya 1 51
81 Lithuania 1 70
82 Morocco 1 74
83 India 1 78
84 Austria 1 79
85 Finland 1 85
86 South Africa 1 117
87 Romania 1 118
88 Sweden 1 131
89 Czech Republic 1 146
90 Cuba 1 160
91 Argentina 1 179
92 Brazil 1 271
93 South Korea 1 279
94 Japan 1 331
95 Spain 1 372


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Old 08-27-2004, 08:57 PM   #138
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I'm upset Paul Hamm is being asked to return his gold medal by the International Gymnastics committee (not the OIC)

It is not his fault a mistake was made. If a complaint had been made in time it could have been corrected. I just saw an interview with a former gymnast who pointed out that the south Korean who allegedly should have beaten Hamm made a major error, 4 handstand holds instead of 3, which, if the facts were reviewed fairly he would have gotten a .2 deduction taking away his chance at any medal! A lot of mistakes are probably being made, but they are not the fault of the gymnast, and if the judges did not cheat intentionally, and if no one lodges a complaint in time, I would say you have to let it go and watch out more carefully next time.
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I'm upset Paul Hamm is being asked to return his gold medal by the International Gymnastics committee (not the OIC)

It is not his fault a mistake was made. I would say you have to let it go and watch out more carefully next time.
Tell that to the Korean who lost out on an Olympic gold medal.

I would be losing it if I was the Korean, and if I was Hamm I'd never be able to live with my conscience knowing that I didn't truly win that medal.

I say at the very least a double gold should be awarded.
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Tell that to the Korean who lost out on an Olympic gold medal.

I would be losing it if I was the Korean, and if I was Hamm I'd never be able to live with my conscience knowing that I didn't truly win that medal.

I say at the very least a double gold should be awarded.
No, like I said, in a further scrutinizing of the Korean's program, it was noticed by several former gymnasts that he did 4 handstand holds instead of the allowed 3, and though this was clear on the videotape it was not caught by the judges. If that deduction was taken, he would have lost .2 and not have recieved ANY medal at all! So if you're going to go back and pick on the start value thing, you're going to have to be fair and review the whole thing, in which case he loses his bronze!

I'm sure a lot of mistakes were made if yoiu went back and checked everything. But the game is over. It's like in American football, you have chance to challenge a call before the next play is called, but once the final whistle blows it's too late EVEN if you can go back and see blantant errors were made, it's TOO LATE! Tell that to the teams that lost, but it's too late. You can't keep going back and changing everything once the results are over. There is a time to challenge and a time when the time has passed. But again in this case, they waited THREE DAYS, and besides, a review would actually take away the bronze he won and he'd even be worse off!
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But we all know that if the Korean had won and the American gotten bronze, you'd be screaming bloody murder right now.
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But we all know that if the Korean had won and the American gotten bronze, you'd be screaming bloody murder right now.
Oh please

I get so sick of people in other countries making such judgements of Americans. I was not happy about Nancy Kerrigan losing the gold to a girl who was later on tape shown to have made two two footed landings which if noted would have taken her out of the medals and given Nancy the gold. I have not been happy over my football teams losing when replays clearly show a call that cost them the game was wrong. It is a sore thing to swallow, but it happens, and it usually equals out, I have had favorites win and lose due to bad calls. I'm not even a Paul Hamm fan. I think he looks like a dweeb. I just think if they were so upset they shouldn't have waited 3 days. And since he did make the other error, he'd better just keep quiet and hold onto that bronze. Or is the guy in fourth place screaming bloody murder now?

One more thing: If judges were found to PURPOSELY cheat, such as the way the Canadian skaters were cheated in the winter olympics, yes, there should be duplicate medals. But not if it was only a mistake. (and again if it's reviewed he'lll get no medal so he'd best just drop it)
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and that girl is nowhere near as hot as Bono
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Dave, that girl looks pissed off.
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She ought to be pissed off, she's not as hot as Bono
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No, like I said, in a further scrutinizing of the Korean's program, it was noticed by several former gymnasts that he did 4 handstand holds instead of the allowed 3, and though this was clear on the videotape it was not caught by the judges. If that deduction was taken, he would have lost .2 and not have recieved ANY medal at all! So if you're going to go back and pick on the start value thing, you're going to have to be fair and review the whole thing, in which case he loses his bronze!
Isn't this just ex post facto judging? If tomorrow it's declared that driving on the right side of the road is illegal in the United States, you can't review tape of me doing so last week and arrest me for it.
I realize rules of law in the U.S. don't transfer over into gymnastics, but it's not like the IOC or FIG can go review tape from the event finals in Sydney and go "whoops, we didn't notice that Liu Xuan took two steps on her beam dismount instead of the one we deducted her for, someone call Ekaterina Lobazniouk and tell her she gets the gold."

It seems to me that if Yang Tae Young's start value was originally lowered because of the fact that he had 4 holds then the officials should have been able to say that from the beginning instead of scurrying around trying to come up with an excuse.



That said, I don't think it's fair of the president of FIG to make it seem like it's Hamm's fault or his responsibility to come up with a fix for things(Federation Requests Hamm Give Up Gold ), but I certainly don't think I'd want to keep a medal I know I didn't earn.
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She does look pissed.

But it's damn sexy.

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the joys of international communicating.

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Don't you get pissed when you're pissed off?

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