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Old 10-19-2005, 09:51 PM   #301
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I'd take your arguments more seriously if they made sense.
Sure, good way to blow me off, not. I make as much sense as you do, you just keep oicking on me because you don't want to hear it.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:40 PM   #302
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Sure, good way to blow me off, not. I make as much sense as you do, you just keep oicking on me because you don't want to hear it.
All I can see is you trying to equate Tom Brady to various one-season-wonder QBs without explanation.

What the hell is wrong with Tom Brady? If it's his numbers, then consider this: besides Peyton Manning, there are 7 other QBs who had higher passer ratings than Brady in 2004. Which of those QBs would you want over Brady?
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Sure, good way to blow me off, not. I make as much sense as you do, you just keep oicking on me because you don't want to hear it.


I'm not blowing you off, but when you try to compare Brady by bringing up quarterbacks such as Warner and Bledsoe, that's where you lose me.
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u2kitten... i fully believe that it is possiable that tom brady's great success this early in his career has been a product of a great system.

but there isn't a number i can throw at you or a stat i can show that can prove that.

if he's simply mediocre for the next 5 years... barely scratching out playoff births and/or missing hte playoffs all together? well yea... then there will be proof.

but last i checked, the last clutch situation he was placed in... without charlie w... this season, at pittsburgh... he went 12 for 12 in the 4th quarter and brought his team back from behind to win the game.

so while i believe there is the possability that tom brady is a product of a great system... just like there is the possability that peyton manning is the product of having an all time offense surrounding him... i'll continue to simply believe that both of them are great in their own ways, until proven otherwise.
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:29 AM   #305
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but last i checked, the last clutch situation he was placed in... without charlie w... this season, at pittsburgh... he went 12 for 12 in the 4th quarter and brought his team back from behind to win the game.

Thanks to that free, bogus, extra 51 seconds they were awarded.
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Thanks to that free, bogus, extra 51 seconds they were awarded.
That free "bogus" 51 seconds was "awarded" very early in the 4th quarter. Without it, the Steelers and Big Ben would have been under more pressure to try and tie the game in less time and things might have played out differently and the Pats wouldn't have even needed to drive to win the game. Its not a relevant argument to what Brady did in the game. He was still perfect in the 4th quarter regardless of what the Steelers' timekeeper (Fred Cowher by the way) did to try to give his team extra time to catch up.
Brady still performed at the highest possible level.

Oh and Headache, this wasn't his most recent clutch situation, he led the Pats on a game winning drive in Atlanta 2 weeks after Pittsburgh.

And he may have done the same in Denver last week if David Givens could catch a ball that hits him in the hands. If thats Marvin Harrison, Brady leads the Pats to a TD that gets them to 28-26, and probably then tosses the 2point conversion to harrison to tie, but Brady's receiving corps is not as solid as Peyton's. But he does the best with what he has to work with, obviously he doesn't do it as well as Peyton cause of all the times Peyton has won their head to head meetings and all Peyton's titles.
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Thanks to that free, bogus, extra 51 seconds they were awarded.
if the extra 51 seconds were added late in the 4th quarter, then you have a point.

the clock screw up happened early in the 4th quarter, neither team noticed it, and both teams played out the end of the game accordingly. both teams benefited from the extra 51 seconds, and both teams would have played the game differently if that 51 seconds was not still on the clock.
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if the extra 51 seconds were added late in the 4th quarter, then you have a point.

the clock screw up happened early in the 4th quarter, neither team noticed it, and both teams played out the end of the game accordingly. both teams benefited from the extra 51 seconds, and both teams would have played the game differently if that 51 seconds was not still on the clock.
No matter when they were added, it gave them time to 'come back' that they wouldn't have had. Think of how many teams in NFL history could have 'come back' if only they'd had one more minute.
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The whole point is that because it occurred early in the 4th, if it had never happened, the entire situation for that quarter would have been different and not have played out exactly the same way, so to say the Patriots benefited more from the extra time than the Steelers did is ridiculous.
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No matter when they were added, it gave them time to 'come back' that they wouldn't have had. Think of how many teams in NFL history could have 'come back' if only they'd had one more minute.
holy jeez... you really need to get off this kick.

they weren't given an extra minute at the end of the game... it was added at the begining of the 4th quarter.

BOTH TEAMS BENEFITED FROM THE SCREW UP.

the game would have played out differently if those 51 seconds weren't added. BOTH teams would have had to change their play calling, and BOTH teams would have had added pressure on them down the stretch.

get over it.
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Let's see you 'get over it' if it happens to the Giants in the championship game. It's still unfair.
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Let's see you 'get over it' if it happens to the Giants in the championship game. It's still unfair.
if you were a steelers fan, perhaps you might have a minor reason to bitch.

and i emphasize minor.

and frankly i probably would get over it... we had a clock problem at the end of the second half of a huge game last year (i coach high school basketball) that allowed the opposing team to hit a last second shot. we ended up losing the game by two.

in no way did that shot cost us the game. there was too much time left in the game after the clock screw up to actually make a logical connection.
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Let's see you 'get over it' if it happens to the Giants in the championship game. It's still unfair.
Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers, more or less said, shit happens and moved on. It wasn't the biggest issue in the world. If the owner of the team can let it go, you probably should too. Like Headache said, neither team noticed it. Maybe if the Steelers noticed it and nothing happened there would be more to gripe about.

Also, with your passion for this clock issue, the 1972 Soviet Union USA gold medal basketball game must really get you fired up.
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Also, with you passion for this clock issue, the 1972 Soviet Union USA gold medal basketball game must really get you fired up.
now THAT is a clock fuck up... but alas, even doug collins has moved on.
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if you were a steelers fan, perhaps you might have a minor reason to bitch.

and i emphasize minor.

As a Colts fan I didn't think it was very cool that the Steelers were awarded a touchdown in the 95-96 AFC Championship game even though the guy clearly had both feet totally on the white stripe in back of the end zone (this can clearly be seen on tape, no question) and a long bomb to the 2 which set up the winning score when the guy's entire body was out of bounds (there is irrefutable video evidence of this too) So maybe the Steelers were getting the short end of the stick this time.

I do think it was that game that had a hand in bringing back instant replay. And everyone I meet tells me as soon as I mention the Colts 'man you guys got so ROBBED in that game!' I mean these are fans of other teams and don't give a damn about the Colts but they could see it. Obviously a lot of people did.
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