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Old 06-21-2006, 07:40 PM   #1
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The NBA Thread - Post Finals, Draft and Free Agency Edition

dallas had every opportunity to win this series and blew it... themselves.

just like san antonio blew it... just like the pistons blew it by sucking so much... just like the knicks blew it by, well, never mind.

game 3... 13 point lead in the 4th quarter.

that's your series.

dallas could not maintain the same intensity on defense from that point on as they did in the first two games. riley made some great adjustments to the heat's game plan which managed to open up dwyane wade more, and he took full advantage of it.

let us not forget the impact shaq's presence had on this series. is he shaq of old? no... but who was the guy who was getting double and triple teamed in each and every game? shaq. shaq's mere presence on the court kept dallas from double teaming dwyane wade, leaving him in single coverage, and he completely dominated.

my two favorite players in the league are shaq and dirk. but dirk, you completely shit the bed this series, my friend. he simply didn't show up. even in the two dallas wins it was really terry who propelled their offense. even last night, for three quarters we finally saw angry dirk... the dirk that's the best player in the league... and then crunch time comes along and he goes 0-4 from the field, has a huge turnover, and gets only 2 points in the entire 4th quarter. larry bird? i think not... but hey, he's still not 30... he's still got time to prove it.

oh... and as for dwyane wade the second coming of michael jordan? well... he certainly gets jordan's benefit of the doubt when it comes to foul calls... but michael jordan would never have missed those two free throws at the end of game 6. so no, dwyane... you're not michael jordan. you're simply dwyane wade... and there's really nothing wrong with that.

much like when the colts lose to the pats, there's a lot of whining about how the games were stolen. no... not really. yes, there were plenty of questionable calls. it's the nba... there's ALWAYS questionable calls. anyone wanna go check the tape on the hubert davis-scottie pippen foul? you won't find it, 'cause there was no foul. but one was called.

for anyone who's ever actually stepped on the court with a whistle around their neck, it is one of the hardest things to do in all of sports. it's like holding in football... every play is a hold, when do you call it, when do you not. basketball is a contact sport that pretends to not be... you could call a foul/violation every time down the court. i coach my players certain ways to play defense... slap up at the ball, use your outside hand to attempt a shot block, etc. etc. to avoid the perception of a foul... because refs, by default, are blind and stupid... if you slap down or across at a ball, even if you get all ball, it LOOKS like a foul... if you use your inside hand to attempt to block a shot, even if you get all ball, it LOOKS like your body made contact, and you're more than likely to get a foul call evne though you never touched the guy. it's not perfect... and there were some horse shit calls in this series. but dallas still had every opportunity to put the series away all by themselves, and they didn't do it. they can only blame themselves.

people have thought the nba is rigged since the whole patrick ewing/frozen envelope rumor in the mid 80s. it's not rigged. refs just suck. but, alas, refs sucking is part of the game. and over the course of 82 games + playoffs, it usually evens out. you just have to hope that the evening out doesn't happen in the last minute of overtime in the nba finals.

great teams over-come the adversity. good to mediocre teams fold like a cheap suit.

the mavericks folded... and they folded before the refs even got a chance to fuck up. but they're young, while miami is old. dallas should be able to come back to the finals next season...



... as long as amare stoudamire stays injured
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This apathetic mindset a lot of people have regarding the refs is only going to hurt the quality of play in this league.

Before I go further, allow me to make a few things clear:

The Mavs were infuriating in the second half of last night's game. When the whole world knew that they should be taking the ball inside, they kept settling for jumpshots. Furthermore, I didn't see the fire in them, the fuel that drives you to win. They seemed a little passive. You shouldn't be passive in Game 6 of the Finals. Their performance in the second half of last night's game was not the performance of a team that deserved to win the title, however much I favored them(neither team is 'my' team, but I was routing for the Mavs).

However, their performance(or lack thereof) does NOT, in any way, excuse what these refs are doing.

Every single call that involved Dwyane Wade in any way, went Wade's way. That doesn't mean that every call was blatently wrong or that every call should've gone against Wade. It just means that every call that was legitimately questionable in any way, went Wade's way. This is not a coincidence.

I really think any objective fan can look at Games 5 and 6 and say that the refs were undeniably calling in favor the Heat. This shouldn't be happening, but it's been happening for years. Player A commits a foul against Player B, but because Player A is flashier and more popular, the foul is called against Player B instead. I really think any objective fan can see that there are big problems with the officiating in today's NBA.

But the fans of teams that are benefitting or have benefitetted from those problems, are not objective, and a lot of the time, they refuse to admit that the refs are helping them. And that is infuriating to me.

None are more guilty of this than fans of the Lakers during their 2000-02 championship reign. Shaq commited probably 20-25 offensive fouls per game and got called for maybe 2 or 3 of them. Kobe got everything as well. Couldn't breath on him without getting called for it. Even their role players - Horry, Fox, Fisher - had everything go their way. Now, today I look back and appreciate that those Lakers teams were very good teams, despite the poor officiating. But what I can't get past is the Lakers fans that absolutely would not admit under any circumstance that the Lakers had help from the refs in every single game, and every single series. I mean, it's not like you'd be turning your back on your team or being a bad fan if you admitted it. It doesn't make your team any less talented. But to admit that your team had help from the refs is to be a man(or a woman). To claim the the officiating in a game like Game 6 of the 2002 WCF vs the Kings was 'fine' or anything of the sort - when the whole basketball world knows that that game was one of the worst officiated games in the history of professional sports(remember Kobe putting Bibby in a headlock and Bibby getting called for a foul?) - is to be a coward.

Last night and today, Heat fans are now getting their first taste of a championship. And the Heat, too, were helped by the refs. Unquestionable, non-negotiable, albiet not quite on the level of the help those Lakers teams got. But Wade was getting every single call his way, while similtaniously being allowed to commit backcourt violations, travel, commit fouls, etc, without getting called for it. Alonzo got every single block, no fouls or goaltends were called. Etc etc etc. Now, Heat fans can either be like those Lakers fans and refuse to admit that the Heat got help, or they can be adults and admit it. It's up to them. It doesn't mean you have to enjoy your championshp any less, it doesn't mean you have to love your team any less. It just means you have to be honest with yourselves.

Moving on...what's even more infuriating is the commissioner's reaction to the officiating problems of recent years. Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that I think David Stern is behind it, fixing series' from the league front office. I really don't think that's the case at all. I just think refs are either incompetent or intimitated by the prospect of not giving big, popular stars who have legions of fans the calls.

The only thing Stern is guilty of is turning a blind eye to it. Every time he is interviewed he is asked about it, and every time he just grins that goofy-ass grin of his and says, 'we have the best refs in the business'. That's bullshit. He knows it's bullshit. He knows that everybody knows that it's bullshit. But he says it anyway. That's what pisses me off about Stern. He's done a lot of good, even great, things for this league since he took over in 1984, but this officiating thing is one of the bigger problems facing the league, and he seems content to just sit and do absolutely jack fucking shit about it, and that, to me, is unforgivable. To let a problem that directly and consistantly effects the quality of the gameplay and competition in the league to just continue to exist without doing AN-Y-THING about it...that's unforgivable.

That's all.

Congrats to the Heat.
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Where'd the old thread go?
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Nevermind, I'm an idiot. I didn't realize it was anywhere close to 500.
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Have you guys read about The Bobcats wanting to trade Brevin Knight and the No. 3 pick to the Raptors for Alvin Williams and No. 1 pick?

It looks like MJ really wants Brandon Roy.

I still have no idea who the Magic are going to draft, the only good draft picks they've had in the past 5 years have been Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson (who was the greatest steal of the '04 draft)

*The San Antonio Spurs traded center Rasho Nesterovic and cash to the Toronto Raptors on Wednesday for forwards Matt Bonner and Eric Williams and a second-round pick in 2009.

Steven A. Smith voice: RAAAAASHO NESTEROOOVIC.
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i'd comment on the 2nd post in this thread, but i'm drunk, and i'm afraid i'd curse too much
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i'd comment on the 2nd post in this thread, but i'm drunk, and i'm afraid i'd curse too much


That's ok, you can comment on it tomorrow when you're not drunk anymore
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Headache, looks like you missed a little section of the rule book:

http://sports.aol.com/nba/story/_a/n...990005?cid=562

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NBA: No backcourt violation on winning possession
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DALLAS (AP) - The NBA said Tuesday that there was no backcourt violation on the play that led to Dwyane Wade 's winning free throws in Game 5 of the NBA finals.


After the Miami Heat 's 101-100 overtime victory over Dallas on Sunday night, Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said an assistant coach showed him a tape that led his team to believe that Wade should have been called for a turnover when he caught an inbounds pass to begin the possession.


"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said Sunday.


Not true, according to Rule 4, Section VI, which deals with frontcourt/backcourt.


Replays showed that Wade leaped near midcourt to catch the ball in the air, landing with possession in the backcourt.


Part of the rule states that, "frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during a throw-in in the last 2 minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period."


Because Wade was in the air when he caught the ball, league spokesman Tim Frank said his position wasn't determined until he landed. And since another rule allows for the ball to be thrown into the backcourt at that time, there was no violation.


"I knew I was straight," Wade said Tuesday morning after shootaround. "I know the rules. I knew it wasn't a backcourt."


Cuban, who was fined $250,000 by the league on Tuesday for his actions after the game, said before Game 6 that he had gotten two different answers about the rule.


"It all comes down to Stu Jackson," Cuban said. "It won't be the first time that my understanding of a rule is wrong. It won't be the first time where there's the need for clarity going forward and they make the clarity when they change the rulebook. That just happens, that's OK. Right or wrong, it's done."
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i hate to agree with mark cuban here but he's absolutely right. the nba is changing the interpretation of the rule on the fly. it really makes you wonder.

the rule book clearly states, and it states the same thing in every single level of basketball, that a player who's in the air's position is established by where his feet last touched the ground. there is no exception tied to this specific rule.

whatever... i guess every official and every coach in every level of the sport has been reading the rule wrong.

watch the nba slip some sort of clarification into the rule book nice and quietly before the start of next season.
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NEW YORK, June 22, 2006 - Larry Brown has been relieved of his responsibilities as head coach of the New York Knicks it was announced today. Isiah Thomas, who serves as the team's president and general manager, will also assume the role of head coach, effective immediately.
"Larry has had a long and storied career. We hired him last summer with the expectation that he would be with the Knicks for a long time. Sometimes decisions work and sometimes they don't. After careful consideration, despite the best intentions from everyone involved, this current structure did not work for us last season and I did not think it was going to improve next season," MSG Chairman James L. Dolan said. "I have great personal admiration for Larry, but have concluded that it is best for our franchise if we make this change. We understand that fans were not happy with the performance of the team last season and neither were we. We are committed to making major improvements next season towards our goal of producing a winning basketball team."

"No one in our organization is happy with last season and we all accept responsibility for our performance," Thomas said. "This has been a difficult time for the entire organization and our fans. Today begins the 2006-07 season for the Knicks, and I strongly believe we are on the right track to take major steps in our rebuilding process to achieve our goal of being one of the premier teams in the NBA. Larry Brown is a great coach, but for various reasons, bringing him to the Knicks did not turn out the way we had hoped and we wish him the best in the future."

Thomas, who joined the Knicks as president and general manager on Dec. 22, 2003, previously served as a head coach with the Indiana Pacers for three seasons from 2000-01 through 2002-03. Coaching a youthful Pacers team, he compiled a record of 131-115 record, making the playoffs in each of his three seasons.

The NBA's New York Knickerbockers basketball team, completing its 60th year of operation, is part of Madison Square Garden, L.P. Cablevision Systems Corporation owns Madison Square Garden, L.P., which includes MSG Network; FSN New York; the New York Knicks (NBA); the New York Rangers (NHL); the New York Liberty (WNBA); MSG Entertainment; the Hartford Wolf Pack (American Hockey League), and the Madison Square Garden arena complex, located in the heart of the New York metropolitan area.
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they will still suck. selfish point guard and a bunch of unproven players.
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Anyone want to start a pool on how long Isiah will last as the Knicks coach?
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Why be sad, Zeke just guranteed the Knicks the #1 overall pick (to go with the #1 overall prick) in the 2007 draft, assuming either:
A.Thomas doesn't trade it unconditionally to the Bulls for Othella harrington or Eric Piatkowski

2. The lottery fix for Ewing finally gets paid back

Thirdly. Isiah doesnt' get fired by Christmas (likeliest scenario) and the new coach gets the Knicks to play well enough to draft like 7th instead of first.
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Why be sad, Zeke just guranteed the Knicks the #1 overall pick (to go with the #1 overall prick) in the 2007 draft, assuming either:
A.Thomas doesn't trade it unconditionally to the Bulls for Othella harrington or Eric Piatkowski.
He already traded it. In the form of a swap option as part of the Eddy Curry deal. Basically, the Bulls have the option of swapping their 2007 first round pick with that of the Knicks, which they will if the Knicks' pick turns out to be higher than theirs after next year's lotto.
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