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Old 06-22-2006, 09:40 PM   #31
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Isiah claims that LB undermined him during trade talks on multiple occasions by calling up teams that Isiah was talking to and offering his own trades. That's not power-tripping?
Well, I'm not sure Larry would want Isiah to trade Charlie Frye, David Lee, and the 2008 No. 1 pick for Ruben Boumtjie-Boumtjie and Zach Randolph.
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Well, I'm not sure Larry would want Isiah to trade Charlie Frye, David Lee, and the 2008 No. 1 pick for Ruben Boumtjie-Boumtjie and Zach Randolph.
Yeah, but if Isiah is trying to make a dumb trade, the right thing to do is to go to Isiah, and say, 'hey, Isiah, this is a stupid fucking trade', not to undermine your boss.
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True, but Larry Brown's reached the "I'm Keith Hernandez" bit of his career, where maybe he needs to be the GM and coach.

Otherwise I agree with all of your other points.
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No?

Isiah claims that LB undermined him during trade talks on multiple occasions by calling up teams that Isiah was talking to and offering his own trades. That's not power-tripping?

It was said that LB told Marbs something along the lines of 'I can do whatever I want with this team'. That's not power-tripping?

LB continued to publically embarass his players in the media after his bosses, Dolan and Isiah, explicitly ORDERED him to stop doing so. I don't care how inept Dolan and Isiah have been, that was still 'have-no-regard-for-my-bosses' AND 'have-no-regard-for-my-subordinates' on LB's part.
if you're at the point where you actually believe a word that has come from isiah thomas or jim dolan, then frankly there's no argument i could ever made to change your mind.

as for telling marbury that he can do whatever he wants with the team... um, well... he's sorta the coach, thus then, he can do whatever he wants with the team. that's not a power trip... that's his job.


in the 13 years since jim dolan has taken over Madison Square Garden... pat riley quit, donn nelson was fired, jeff van gundy quit, dave checketts quit, scott layden was fired, don cheney was fired, lenny wilkens quit, herb williams was demoted, marv albert... MARV FUCKING ALBERT... was fired, and now larry brown has been fired.

marv albert was let go because he criticized the team too often. marv albert... the man IS the knicks. he was a knicks ball boy as a kid, for christ's sake. and dolan let him go.

and let us not forget about mike keenan, colin campbell, neil smith, john muckler, john tortorella, brian trottier, and of course, glen sather... who was actually allowed to fire himself and still keep this GM job.

lary brown also had a track record... he had problems early with david robinson... with reggie miller... with allen iverson. and over time, all three of those players grew to love larry brown, and brown turned those franchises into winners. break it down, build it back up. that is what larry brown has always done.

all the dolan regime has done is taken a building that had one team in the NBA finals and the other winning the stanley cup when they took over and driven it completely into the ground, to the point where the "world's most famous arena" is nothing more than a joke.

and isiah thomas burned his bridges in indiana, he left the CBA in financial ruin, and spends more money per player than the yankees on the last place knicks.

larry brown is not a saint by any stretch of the imagination. if you want to say that he could have gotten 10 more wins out of this team if he had given in to what the players wanted rather than the way he wanted them to play, fine... i'll go along with that. but LB understood that in order for this team to compete for :gasp: a championship he would have to break the entire thing down and build it back up again with a completely different mindset and a redone roster. but, alas, that will never happen now.
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if you're at the point where you actually believe a word that has come from isiah thomas or jim dolan, then frankly there's no argument i could ever made to change your mind.

as for telling marbury that he can do whatever he wants with the team... um, well... he's sorta the coach, thus then, he can do whatever he wants with the team. that's not a power trip... that's his job.


in the 13 years since jim dolan has taken over Madison Square Garden... pat riley quit, donn nelson was fired, jeff van gundy quit, dave checketts quit, scott layden was fired, don cheney was fired, lenny wilkens quit, herb williams was demoted, marv albert... MARV FUCKING ALBERT... was fired, and now larry brown has been fired.

marv albert was let go because he criticized the team too often. marv albert... the man IS the knicks. he was a knicks ball boy as a kid, for christ's sake. and dolan let him go.

and let us not forget about mike keenan, colin campbell, neil smith, john muckler, john tortorella, brian trottier, and of course, glen sather... who was actually allowed to fire himself and still keep this GM job.

lary brown also had a track record... he had problems early with david robinson... with reggie miller... with allen iverson. and over time, all three of those players grew to love larry brown, and brown turned those franchises into winners. break it down, build it back up. that is what larry brown has always done.

all the dolan regime has done is taken a building that had one team in the NBA finals and the other winning the stanley cup when they took over and driven it completely into the ground, to the point where the "world's most famous arena" is nothing more than a joke.

and isiah thomas burned his bridges in indiana, he left the CBA in financial ruin, and spends more money per player than the yankees on the last place knicks.

larry brown is not a saint by any stretch of the imagination. if you want to say that he could have gotten 10 more wins out of this team if he had given in to what the players wanted rather than the way he wanted them to play, fine... i'll go along with that. but LB understood that in order for this team to compete for :gasp: a championship he would have to break the entire thing down and build it back up again with a completely different mindset and a redone roster. but, alas, that will never happen now.
But Headache, weren't you weary about the Knicks signing LB last summer? I distinctly remember you saying things about him in the vein of, 'He'll leave us within a few years, it's what Larry Brown does', referring to his m.o. of jumping from team to team and never being content.
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But Headache, weren't you weary about the Knicks signing LB last summer? I distinctly remember you saying things about him in the vein of, 'He'll leave us within a few years, it's what Larry Brown does', referring to his m.o. of jumping from team to team and never being content.
yes, i was... but he didn't last long enough to even do that. at the very least i expected him to be around long enough to turn give us a few good years.

look... i'm not the biggest larry brown fan on earth, that's for damn sure. but if you have to choose between larry brown, jim dolan and isiah thomas, there's only one of them who's ever won shit in their current positions.

he does leave places early... it is a pattern of his. but this time he didn't.
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The draft is in a few days, who do you guys think is going where?

I think Bargnani is going No. 1 to Toronto
Aldridge No. 2 to Chicago
Roy No. 3 to Charlotte
Morrison No. 4 to Portland

after that, I have no idea.
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this draft is so tough to call. I could see the raptors picking any one of about 5 guys.
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Old 06-25-2006, 10:11 PM   #39
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As a Bulls fan, I want Aldridge.

I do NOT want Tyrus Thomas. The last thing we need is yet ANOTHER 'project' big man. I want Aldridge.
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Here's to hoping PJ Tucker falls far enough for the Mavericks to draft him.





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I hope the Magic get Ronnie Brewer or something.

But alot of sources are saying they'd get Redick.

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I want the suns to get redick.
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Three-Part Interview with James Dolan and Isiah Thomas in which they explain why they felt they had to fire Larry Brown. It's actually a pretty good interview.

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Apparently Larry Brown wanted Jalen Rose and Steve Francis badly.

I think they're full of shit.

Whoever made the trade, I'm happy they got Francis from the Magic, players like him are what's wrong with today's league.

(I wonder how Isiah's neck is feeling like, you know, with Dolan's leash on it)
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