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Old 08-26-2007, 10:44 PM   #391
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You're right, ideally it's a combination of both or the person grows to like the music in the unique list.
Exactly. I was thinking of changing the concept of the game from which playlist would you want to listen to, to which playlist would be most worth saving? What would you think about that?
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I don't know about that. To me, the best representative of concept and good songs is on the way to winning the Desert Island tourney anyway, and most of the unique lists ranked highly as is.

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Logistics question: When I download individual songs they just go right to iTunes so I don't need to worry about it. But for the groups, it downloads the file with all the songs, but I can't find it after I exit out of it the first time. I can still listen to the playlists, but I'd like to know where the song files are going. Does someone know?
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Logistics question: When I download individual songs they just go right to iTunes so I don't need to worry about it. But for the groups, it downloads the file with all the songs, but I can't find it after I exit out of it the first time. I can still listen to the playlists, but I'd like to know where the song files are going. Does someone know?
If you go to Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced you can see your iTunes Music Folder location.

I use the "Copy to Music Folder When Adding to Library" and "Keep iTunes Folder Organized" options to keep everything tidy.

That way you know where everything is. Hopefully that answers your questions.
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I don't know about that. To me, the best rep of concept and good songs is on the way to winning the Desert Island tourney anyway, and most of the unique lists ranked highly as is.

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I'm just afraid taste plays too big a role the way it currently is. Changing the concept might be a bit extreme but I would like a way to lower the role of taste. With such an emphasis on taste you have a couple playlists having a huge advantage over most of the others. It is something I want to address in some form.
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If you go to Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced you can see your iTunes Music Folder location.

I use the "Copy to Music Folder When Adding to Library" and "Keep iTunes Folder Organized" options to keep everything tidy.

That way you know where everything is. Hopefully that answers your questions.
I'll give that a shot, thanks. It wouldn't be a big deal if I had my own computer, but since it's a group one I'm trying to be tidy (as well as not trying to make a big deal of the, er, questionable means of acquiring all this music).
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I'm just afraid taste plays too big a role the way it currently is. Changing the concept might be a bit extreme but I would like a way to lower the role of taste. With such an emphasis on taste you have a couple playlists having a huge advantage over most of the others. It is something I want to address in some form.
Okay, you could throw a tightly constructed Spanish language album at me, but it doesn't mean I'll like it. Taste is gonna rule over no matter what, although quality of the list (flow, mood, concept) should be taken into greater consideration. I'm not quite sure what you can change at this point though, but it's your call.

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I'll give that a shot, thanks. It wouldn't be a big deal if I had my own computer, but since it's a group one I'm trying to be tidy (as well as not trying to make a big deal of the, er, questionable means of acquiring all this music).
You're welcome. Best part about it is you can import a set of songs and delete them and not worry about losing them (they'll be saved into your Music folder regardless,)
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Okay, you could throw a tightly constructed Spanish language album at me, but it doesn't mean I'll like it. Taste is gonna rule over no matter what, although quality of the list (flow, mood, concept) should be taken into greater consideration. I'm not quite sure what you can change at this point though, but it's your call.
The statistic that sort of worries me is that the top five for the Most Unique Playlist Award are a combined 4-20. Three of those people didn't even get a win.

I just want to make sure this game is fair to everyone. My new ides is this. Normally each heat asks for the playlist you like the most perhaps it should change to playlist you think is the overall best. That might force more attention on the other qualities other than simply taste.
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The statistic that sort of worries me is that the top five for the Most Unique Playlist Award are a combined 4-20. Three of those people didn't even get a win.

I just want to make sure this game is fair to everyone. My new ides is this. Normally each heat asks for the playlist you like the most perhaps it should change to playlist you think is the overall best. That might force more attention on the other qualities other than simply taste.
That statistic is alarming, but it's all about the music being shared anyway; the contest is icing on the cake (hopefully this doesn't sound arrogant coming from me).

It could put emphasis on that, but who says some people don't already vote that way? The game right now is cool with me, but if you think these changes would make the game better, then I'll support your decision.
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Were the awards posted?
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Crap. I've been counting on the taste vote this entire time. Now I'm screwed.








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They will be posted after the end of the final.

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That statistic is alarming, but it's all about the music being shared anyway; the contest is icing on the cake (hopefully this doesn't sound arrogant coming from me).

It could put emphasis on that, but who says some people don't already vote that way? The game right now is cool with me, but if you think these changes would make the game better, then I'll support your decision.
I guess I'll wait to hear from Axver and Phanan before discussing further. The contest is secondary but I'd like to see a better chance for everyone to see their playlist do well.
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I don't know how you could possibly avoid people voting by taste. In fact, we're all voting on taste - just that some of us vote on taste that favours specific songs, while others vote on taste that favours full albums.

The only change I suggest is changing "vote for the tracklist you like the most" to "vote for the tracklist you think is best", but I am skeptical that will actually change any votes at all.

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Perhaps if you stopped loading all of your playlists up with progressive rock bands(not that there's anything wrong with progressive rock at all) that nobody(generally speaking) in the northern hemisphere has heard of, you'd be more successful.
A comment like this just indicates to me that you didn't even listen to my submission. Had there been a prog group in Desert Island III, I would not have qualified for it on the basis of having too few prog bands.

Now, I would have definitely been in a Dunedin Sound group, but that's miles away from prog. It's actually post-punk and proto-indie.
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I don't know how you could possibly avoid people voting by taste. In fact, we're all voting on taste - just that some of us vote on taste that favours specific songs, while others vote on taste that favours full albums.

The only change I suggest is changing "vote for the tracklist you like the most" to "vote for the tracklist you think is best", but I am skeptical that will actually change any votes at all.
I want to change the concept. The way it is now is too driven by personal tastes and that's not what the game is about. It is about expanding tastes and musical experiences. This is my idea for a new concept:

"You are stuck on a desert island with several playlists. You can only keep one on the island. In each match, vote for the playlist that deserves to stay."

It would allow people to make their own criteria and force them to look beyond simply taste.

Would you be for that?
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