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Old 08-02-2005, 10:16 PM   #91
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LMAO...that's cool! . You realize pictures of these cats should be shared now, right? .

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Of course!



Loki. He's afraid of the camera though, so he always manages to look terrified when I take his picture. Loki has decided he likes to sleep on my pillow (when I'm sleeping) so as soon as I open my eyes he can start sucking up attention. Loki's an old tomcat (well, he's not a tomcat anymore ) and he's obviously lived a tough life. He has all sorts of scars, some which won't grow hair, most of his front teeth and fangs are missing, broken off, or worn way down (molars are good though), and he has pellets from a bb gun (most likely) under his skin in one of his legs. But he's a very sweet cat.



Isidore as a kitten. He's grown a LOT! He's a big, fluffy, playful cat now. And, yes he knows he is indeed a "gift of the goddess Isis" (which is what Isidore means). Sorry the picture is so small.

I don't really have photos of Miss Myrrh or Straticat...have to take some tomorrow.
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Heh. Executives are another group of people that can be real pains.

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I heard a interview with SK once where he said when he would go to the label's offices when the band was doing well, everyone wanted to say hi and tell him how they always knew the song would be a great success (he said during the interview something to the effect that "of course that's not what they said when we recorded it. When we recorded it they all said 'what are you recording that song for -- it won't go anywhere' " ), but when things weren't going so well all the doors would quickly close as he walked down the hall and no one would look at him.

He has no love for record company execs and makes no bones about that fact.


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Hey fellow Church fan

Good to see some Church fans out there in U2 land.
I came to Australia as a 12yr old and The Church where the first oz band i got into (followed by The Go-betweens)
I have to say i am more of a fan of there earlier material. I must have seen them about 10 times in the 80's and have met them on numerous occasions. My fave album might be Heyday but i also love Starfish and Seance.
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I heard a interview with SK once where he said when he would go to the label's offices when the band was doing well, everyone wanted to say hi and tell him how they always knew the song would be a great success (he said during the interview something to the effect that "of course that's not what they said when we recorded it. When we recorded it they all said 'what are you recording that song for -- it won't go anywhere' " ), but when things weren't going so well all the doors would quickly close as he walked down the hall and no one would look at him.

He has no love for record company execs and makes no bones about that fact.
After that kind of treatment, I can see why. Talk about two-faced...

Cute kittens, too ! Feel bad for Loki, having gone through all the stuff you mentioned. But it seems as if he's in good hands now, so... .

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Will do .

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Ploogie's meltdown

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They've never been particularly well received in the UK...not quite sure why. And, of course, once the UK rags started jumping on them, they became, for the lack of a better term, a "difficult" interview, which didn't help any.

They did get a very nice review for their last album (well, last "proper" album) Forget Yourself from NME -- 8 0f 10 stars. Very probably their best ever review from a UK source.



Well...it isn't SK on vocals on "See Your Lights" (it's MWP), but we'll forgive 'em just this once.

Although I really think that their personalities and determination to follow their own musical vision hurt them commercially (they were known as difficult), when they did get to a point where they almost broke it big they had a bastard as a manager, who screwed them out of not only cash (apparently quite a bit too), but also the chance to work with John Paul Jones as producer of an album. He loved their work and wanted to do the job (this was after Starfish their best known work). The band was delighted and wanted to work with him. Great, right? Apparently their manager didn't see it that way (don't know why, except that it probably would have cost more and he wanted that money for himself ) and told Jones the band did not want to work with him, while telling the band Jones had changed his mind about working with them. I would have loved to have heard what they would have come up with. Asshole. Man should burn in hell.

Anyway, they did the album Gold Afternoon Fix with the same producers they had on Starfish, but Ploog had a meltdown midway through and left and and GAF never really got off the ground. It sold OK, but not well enough for the label, and that was that. Interestingly, many people (me included) consider their next album, Priest = Aura to very possibly be their best work. But it's not at all commercial and so must have further horrified the Arista execs.


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indra has four cats with Churchy names: Isidore (the SK/Jeffery Cain of Remy Zero music project); Miss Myrrh (named after the song Myrrh); Loki (my Norse god kitty -- named after the SK solo song); and Rickenbacker Straticaticus (because Marty and sometimes Peter use Rics and also Strats -- plus the cat needed a pretentious name, and they don't get much more pretentious than that! )
Regarding Richard ploogs 'meltdown'; i had the experience of meeting him in this period as he turned up at one of my bands gigs at the time and he told me an interesting story regarding his 'ejection' from the band but i wont go into the details here! He was very much missed in oz; i remeber the first few shows after his departure, the crowd would call out for him which used to piss Steve of somewhat.
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Re: Ploogie's meltdown

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Regarding Richard ploogs 'meltdown'; i had the experience of meeting him in this period as he turned up at one of my bands gigs at the time and he told me an interesting story regarding his 'ejection' from the band but i wont go into the details here! He was very much missed in oz; i remeber the first few shows after his departure, the crowd would call out for him which used to piss Steve of somewhat.
Ooooh! Do tell! (you can email me if you don't want to do it publically -- hejstudio@gmail.com )

I've actually heard a couple of variations -- the meltdown one and the Steve gave him the boot one. I suspect it was something of a combination of the two. I can't imagine SK shoving him out with absolutely no provocation, but I can see SK saying "it's him or me" if he had issues with him and let's face it The Church could survive without Ploog but not without Kilbey (although one can say The Church didn't survive well without Ploog, as GAF was the start of their commercial slide).

And there are still Church fans upset that Ploog is gone -- a few even go so far as to snub Tim, and Tim had nuttin' to do with it! Koppes still works with Ploog sometimes...and has throughout the years. Of course, Peter seems to be a most mellow and kind soul.

As for Steve getting a bit pissy when people called out for Ploog, I've read and heard interviews from the mid 90's when Peter had left the band and he could get kind of snippy when asked about Peter too, so I'm not surprised.

Good to meet you reptile. I'm actually more of a fan of their more recent work -- hardly listen to Of Skins and Heart and Blurred Crusade -- but know several others who like their earlier work best also. I figure a fan is a fan. And they actually played "Reptile" on their most recent US tour after refusing to play it for years.
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Ooooh! Do tell! (you can email me if you don't want to do it publically -- hejstudio@gmail.com )

I've actually heard a couple of variations -- the meltdown one and the Steve gave him the boot one. I suspect it was something of a combination of the two. I can't imagine SK shoving him out with absolutely no provocation, but I can see SK saying "it's him or me" if he had issues with him and let's face it The Church could survive without Ploog but not without Kilbey (although one can say The Church didn't survive well without Ploog, as GAF was the start of their commercial slide).

And there are still Church fans upset that Ploog is gone -- a few even go so far as to snub Tim, and Tim had nuttin' to do with it! Koppes still works with Ploog sometimes...and has throughout the years. Of course, Peter seems to be a most mellow and kind soul.

As for Steve getting a bit pissy when people called out for Ploog, I've read and heard interviews from the mid 90's when Peter had left the band and he could get kind of snippy when asked about Peter too, so I'm not surprised.

Good to meet you reptile. I'm actually more of a fan of their more recent work -- hardly listen to Of Skins and Heart and Blurred Crusade -- but know several others who like their earlier work best also. I figure a fan is a fan. And they actually played "Reptile" on their most recent US tour after refusing to play it for years.
Hey, thanks for the reply. It's cool to be disscussing The Church on a U2 site! I always thought they had similar aspects to there sound especially with Marty's guitar playing.
Cool to hear that peter Koppes still works with Ploog, didnt know that.
The truth behind Ploog's departure will only be known by those involved but i will email you the 'goss as was told to me.
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Hey, thanks for the reply. It's cool to be disscussing The Church on a U2 site! I always thought they had similar aspects to there sound especially with Marty's guitar playing.
Cool to hear that peter Koppes still works with Ploog, didnt know that.
The truth behind Ploog's departure will only be known by those involved but i will email you the 'goss as was told to me.
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Thanks! Looking forward to reading that version. I think perhaps that some of the hard feelings have dissipated a bit by now.

I read your post in the Babyface Cafe... I can kind of understand the frustration of Oz U2 fans. I must say I'm a bit jealous of Oz Church fans...fans there got the last official tour, plus several semi-acoustic shows in November, several more being planned for the end of the year, plus y'all get several solo MWP shows (when he is there to record, etc.), solo SK shows, SK poetry readings, even SK doing Shylock in an updated version of The Merchant of Venice.... I would love to be able to go to the solo and rare stuff. We do get the regular tours here though, so I can't really complain, but damn!
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Thanks! Looking forward to reading that version. I think perhaps that some of the hard feelings have dissipated a bit by now.

I read your post in the Babyface Cafe... I can kind of understand the frustration of Oz U2 fans. I must say I'm a bit jealous of Oz Church fans...fans there got the last official tour, plus several semi-acoustic shows in November, several more being planned for the end of the year, plus y'all get several solo MWP shows (when he is there to record, etc.), solo SK shows, SK poetry readings, even SK doing Shylock in an updated version of The Merchant of Venice.... I would love to be able to go to the solo and rare stuff. We do get the regular tours here though, so I can't really complain, but damn!
Ha! Touche' But Australia is a big place and in my neck of the woods we dont get all of the off-shoot Church stuff. Ok i did see Steve the one time he did visit my town but other than that we only get the same Church tours as everybody else. In fact last time U2 came to oz i had to travel interstate to see them....anyway, i'll stop complaining now, its boring! Your point is a good one, we should appriciate what we do have rather than worry about what we dont!
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Found this review this morning...got a good laugh out of the "like middle-aged cocksmen in adult film" line, esp. given the porno conversations I related earlier in the thread.

And, yeah, apparently El Momento Descuidado translates more literally to The Careless Moment, but it is supposed to be a rough translation of The Unguarded Moment. Someone asked them why they didn't just use the spanish word which would translate more accurately and MWP said "Because we're The Church. We don't do anything simply." Ain't that the truth!

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The Church: El Momento Descuidado (Liberation Music)

Like middle-aged cocksmen in adult film, the Church keeps on keepin' on, and they do so in a way that makes us smile approvingly at their visible talents. Despite only briefly breaking into the general public consciousness with "Under The Milky Way" in 1988, they've released nearly 20 albums, all of which are well-crafted and quite listenable. El Momento Descuidado, or "The Careless Moment," finds them working acoustically, using imaginative arrangements to give new clothes to familiar tracks and a fresh look at lesser-known pieces. Steve Kilbey's somnambulant drawl remains a seductive pull that moves us closer, while Marty Wilson Piper's lovely straining-at-the-edges crooning adds a nice contrast. Much of this is just lovely. You can hear their DNA in popular modern artists like Franz Ferdinand and The Killers, though the Church are much better songwriters. It's unlikely more than a handful of bands charting today will ever record so long or so well. Buffeted by mandolin and piano, one hears the calm of survivors. They figured out long ago how to make their music and worry about little else. That assured awareness emerges loud and clear.


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LOL, nice review there . Interesting bit about who they're influencing today, too...hmmm...

Also, yes, it seems Australia would be the place to go right now for a lot of music-related things......but I digress.

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(actually where I am, the water's too fucking cold even for the fish. Come back in about late November. )
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Also, yes, it seems Australia would be the place to go right now for a lot of music-related things......but I digress.

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Because I like a lot of newer or not so well known Australian bands I always envy the folks there when I hear of these bands playing in little clubs all over.

But with my luck, if I lived in Australia I would live in the middle of the outback where no one ever plays.
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Useless Church trivia:

The Church (well, it was the Steve and Marty only version of The Church) played a laundromat/bar in Seattle named Sit & Spin in the mid 90's (probably 1994).

Wonder if they did their laundry while they were at it?
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And I just had to show off my newest Steve Kilbey acquisition.



Self Portrait -- Last Night on Earth

(it's just a snapshot I took, so the colour is a bit off -- a little more blue than it really is and there are more vibrant colours streaked throughout the hair and beard -- but you get the idea)

It's 19"x24" and is mostly pastel with some gouache touches, I think (it's off being set up for prints, so I don't have it with me right now). It's actually done on paper my mum bought years ago and never got around to using. Now that I'm cleaning out the house I found it and since I had no use for it, sent it off to SK. So that makes it extra special to me.
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