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Old 08-21-2005, 12:18 PM   #196
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Ah, but don't the technical difficulties make you feel you were really there?
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Ah, but don't the technical difficulties make you feel you were really there?
I don't really mind them. I mean I realize they are on a tight schedule with not much time to set up and sort everything out. On at least one night I saw them they had no soundcheck at all as they had to drive through a nasty snowstorm to get there (I drove through the same storm). It was a little rough at first, but they muddled through and it was an enjoyable show.

And the show I saw where they had the worst problems (mostly MWP, who actually walked off the stage and out of the venue) is the bootleg I listen to the most. Everyone except MWP was in a good mood and that really helped make for a fun show. I really enjoyed the banter and stories SK (with some comments by PK) told during downtime. The girl with the glass eye was classic....

The only sad thing is it could have been a hell of a cool show if MWP just didn't let the problems get to him that much (hell, it didn't sound bad at all really) and had showed the grace and humour the others did that night. But when you like a band full of cranky old bastards, you have to realize they are going to act like cranky old bastards once in a while.
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Went to a few "classic" concerts myself. David Crosby was performing solo at a little club in my town. This was before the liver transplant and apparently he was doing a little freebasing backstage. Well, the poor opening act had to keep on performing to an audience who was crowded in tightly and had nothing better to do than to drink. The opening act apparently thought a proper tribute to Crosby would be to play a Neil Young song he thought was Crosby's. Crosby finally came out to a hostile audience, played a little while, walked off stage when he wasn't getting the proper response after berating the audience. Came back, did a few more songs then left again, I assume to pick up where the freebasing left off.

(which reminds me of Neil's induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where Led Zeppelin decided to play Stephen Stills' "For What It's Worth" as the jam song with Neil. Neil jammed away, apparently getting a kick out of it. (It is a great song)
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LOL at the comment about his daughter, too.

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Actually it's daughters. Very pretty, Swedish, twin daughters. Many men's fantasy, but a papa's nightmare.

Shortly after the original comment he added "I'm gonna send them to a convent!"
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Actually it's daughters. Very pretty, Swedish, twin daughters.
Ah, I stand corrected .

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Many men's fantasy, but a papa's nightmare.

Shortly after the original comment he added "I'm gonna send them to a convent!"
LOL. Sweet that he's looking out for them, though . Just hope he isn't too overprotective...kids generally don't like that .

Interesting bits about the covers album, too. Liked hearing how they kinda came up with the whole thing and their thoughts on the artists whose songs they covered .

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He said the band had tinkered around with Mott The Hoople’s “All The Young Dudes” on last year’s tour and planned to record it as a single for fan club members.
There's a guy I know at another board who's a HUGE Mott The Hoople fan. I wonder how familiar he is with the Church, if he knows they covered one of their songs? ...

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For the 200 th post in this thread (I told you at the beginning of the thread I could discuss this band incessantly, didn't I? ) I found a more detailed telling of how SK writes lyrics and some record company (had to be Arista) exces responded to it. These comments were taken from a question and answer session at a songwriters workshop he was part of. After the Q&A session he played an acoustic set which was released and Acoustic & Intimate.

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Yeah spur of the moment's how I write them all. That's a funny thing too because I remember we were making this album in America and we had all these backing tracks, and these American guys were going, "Well, where are the fucking lyrics man?" and I was saying "I don't know. I'm just going to write them." "What do you mean, you haven't fucking written them yet." And it's like, does it matter if I write them now or? it's going to take me five minutes to write them and it's just as likely I'll write them tomorrow as a week ago and they're like, "What are you just going to make 'em up?" and it's like "Well what do you think..?
[makes you wonder where they thought lyrics came from, doesn't it? Maybe they believe in the lyrics fairy. ]

And for your reading pleasure, MWP talking about Britney Spears.

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"Really, who would want to have sex with Britney Spears?" Willson-Piper asks. "She's a young, silly girl with too much money. You want somebody with a bit of experience and depth. When I see Britney Spears, I just want to buy her an ice cream and pat her on the head."
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From 'The Australian review' Aug. 20-21
Band: The Panics
Album: Sleeps like a curse
Perth-born The Panics weave an enduring, timeless web of music, with threads that link 1960's pop such as that of The beatles and The Byrds...........Atop it all is singer Jae Laffers deadpan purr, sounding much like The Churches Steve Kilby..........

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Hmmm... no surprise then that The Panics were the opening band for several of The Church's 2003 shows on their Australia tour.

Just looking over Church fan reviews of the shows they opened and they seemed well received (except at one show where most people missed the opening acts to watch rugby on the TV in the foyer -- about which SK said to Tim, "don't mention that VILE game on stage." ).
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Interesting bits about the covers album, too. Liked hearing how they kinda came up with the whole thing and their thoughts on the artists whose songs they covered .

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Speaking of covers....Rick Springfield recently did a covers album (said the songs were one's he wished he'd written). One of those songs is Under the Milky Way. I've neve much cared for Rick Springfield, but at least he showed good taste there.
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Went to a few "classic" concerts myself. David Crosby was performing solo at a little club in my town. This was before the liver transplant and apparently he was doing a little freebasing backstage. Well, the poor opening act had to keep on performing to an audience who was crowded in tightly and had nothing better to do than to drink. The opening act apparently thought a proper tribute to Crosby would be to play a Neil Young song he thought was Crosby's. Crosby finally came out to a hostile audience, played a little while, walked off stage when he wasn't getting the proper response after berating the audience. Came back, did a few more songs then left again, I assume to pick up where the freebasing left off.

(which reminds me of Neil's induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where Led Zeppelin decided to play Stephen Stills' "For What It's Worth" as the jam song with Neil. Neil jammed away, apparently getting a kick out of it. (It is a great song)


Now that sounds like an interesting show! Certainly makes for a great story to tell. What I always wonder is do people enjoy those shows -- I mean it's most likely not quite what you expected, but was it still fun? Do you still think you got your money's worth? And would you consider seeing him again?

The show I got where MWP was such a prick wasn't all that bad -- really they only dropped two songs and the others were in really great moods so they kept it fun. But if MWP had been on I really think it could have been a corker of a show, and that's a bit sad.

A Church show I didn't get to see (but do have the bootleg of) is one in NYC in 1999. When they came out on stage there are only three of them (actually it's possible only MWP came out at first...), and MWP tells the crowd "We have a bit of a problem. We have no Steve." And they would not be having any Steve at all that night as Steve was otherwise occupied (see below). Well they blundered through a fairly short show, with lots of solo MWP stuff/Church songs with MWP on vocals -- I think only MWP really wanted to play -- with their tour manager/roadie playing bass on a few songs. Lots of Marty talking to the crowd too. The crowd did seem to enjoy it though.

I know I would have enjoyed the show, but would still have been disappointed too. I do notice that I can't find anything online from fans really complaining about the show. Either the ones that were very unhappy weren't in any online forums, or the band has very understanding fans (I've seen some pretty whiny reviews of show where they all were there though. )


Stevie's little adventure.

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STEVE Kilbey emerged from room 103 of the Manhattan Criminal Court slightly dishevelled but otherwise unfazed over his experience with the US legal system.

Kilbey, lead singer of veteran Australian rock band The Church, had been arrested by police the day before attempting to buy three small packets of heroin from a street dealer.

After spending a night locked in a cell at "Central Booking" with about 30 other prisoners and having missed the band's second and last New York concert, Kilbey still managed a joke.

He said being picked up for drugs in New York was a rite of passage for Australian musicians.

"A drug bust is something every ageing rock star should have under his belt," he said.

"(Australian singer) Nick Cave and I are in great company."

Kilbey said he was "popped" by police while walking near the corner of E6 St and Avenue D in the Alphabet City district of lower Manhattan about 2.40pm on Tuesday.

"Five years ago you would have had no problem down there," Kilbey said outside court. "Now things are different."

The 45-year-old singer/bass guitarist felt the full sting of New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's zero-tolerance crime policies.

NYPD officer William Post arrested Kilbey as he bought three "glassines" of heroin, neatly packed with a "Red Devil" trademark.

He was handcuffed and made to wait in the back of a police wagon for two hours, watching police arrest eight more men. After being strip searched, photographed and finger-printed at the local precinct, he was sent to the police lock-up at Centre St.

Not sleeping a wink in the crowded cell (he said one inmate propositioned him, another tried to sell him crack that had been smuggled in), Kilbey went before Judge Gregory Carro the following morning at 11.30am.

John Kerins (representing Kilbey) asked that his client, who had no record in New York, be allowed to go free, without any conviction.

Police prosecutor Jeff Chabrowe said the "people" demanded some form of punishment.

Judge Carro ordered Kilbey to report for community service for one day later this month.

He will spend a day cleaning A-Train subway carriages running from Manhattan to JFK Airport.

Kilbey's fellow band members – unhappy at being left without a lead singer the night before – did not show up at the court to retrieve him.

The band had already flown to North Carolina where they were to perform a concert at the Cat's Cradle nightclub in Carrboro.

Kilbey managed to get a later flight, making last night's gig.
Apparently they called around to various hospitals and police precincts until someone finally said, "unhuh, we have a Mr. Kilbey here." That was just before they started the show. Needless to say, they were delighted.

I can't help but laugh at them just leaving without him. Serves him right.
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And I found one more interview with info on the making of Box of Birds. This one's from SK. Here's part of it.

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Q: Tell me a little about your new record, "Box of Birds." It's a covers record. When did you have time to record it with all the touring you've done in the last year?
A: Um, we recorded it in Sweden again because we got a good rate at a studio there. I think it was about May, June, July. We also started working on our next real album which we didn't get finished. Originally someone wrote to us a long time ago and said, "Could you do two cover versions" or something. They wanted to put it on a fanzine single and that idea grew into an album of cover versions. I guess sooner or later every hack rock star has to go out and do that - their album of cover versions.
Q: How did you decide which covers you were going to do?
A: Just like the Church always does - completely erratically. All the ones we really wanted to do we never got done. We got side tracked. One day we had a day around Marty's (Willson-Piper, guitarist) house who has the hugest record collection of anyone I've ever met. Suddenly, people were just pulling out records, "Why don't we do this?" "Why don't we do this?" Suddenly we were doing all these ones we never planned to do and never got around to the ones that we were really going to do.
Q: What were some of the songs that you planned on doing?
A: I don't want to say now. (Laughs)
Q: On "Box of Birds," you cover "It's All Too Much," a George Harrison song off "The Yellow Submarine" album. Was it intimidating doing a cover of a Beatles song, considering the competition?
A: Nah. I don't care about all that stuff. That's the only reason we did it - it only has one chord. Why bother to learn one with lots of chords when we can do George's song that's all in (the key of) G? We haven't done it for a long time but we used to do it back in 1986, sometimes for an encore. George has always been my favorite.
Q: Why is that?
A: Um, it's funny. I had this old Scottish aunt. When I was about 10 we were watching the Beatles and she said, (copping a Scottish accent) "Who's your favorite Beatle?" And I said, "Paul." And she said, "Sissy." I was about to say John and I could tell she was looking at me, and I said, "George?" And she said, "Good boy." After that I was always afraid to like anyone else.
Q: One thing that I really like in "It's All Too Much" is the Eddy Grant "Electric Avenue" interlude in the middle.
A: You like that? That's another song that's all in G. That's why I did that. Some people had (problems) with us doing that. They thought it was stupid. Some people don't like The Church to be funny. If ever we do anything funny, people don't like it. I guess you're going to (the show) for something serious, and we sort of painted ourselves into a bit of a corner. A review in an L.A. thing used a word I hadn't read for a long time in awhile, "mope rock." What a stupid term that is. You don't want your mope rockers making you laugh, do you? You're damned either way. If you're funny, half of them like it and they do have a sense of humor, and the other half don't. You know what I mean?
Q: It's like the Barenaked Ladies' popularity. Either you love 'em or you hate 'em.
A: I actually do hate them and I would cheerfully machine-gun them to death. I don't like them funny, serious or otherwise. The only time I would like to see them is in an airline disaster. The first time I saw that video, I thought, "Who is that? It's some group that is really f------ band." Every time I said that to someone, they were like "God, you hate them too?" I'd like to give them the bubonic plague. I haven't ever met one person who likes them. Now you're going to tell me that you're engaged to the conga player or something.
Q: Oh, no I'm not. You must really hate them.
A: I do, but I hate lots of people. I hate Rachel Hunter. I hate Elle MacPherson.
Q: I'm surprised about that.
A: I don't know. They're sort of Australian models who speak with American accents. I don't know. Strange people get my goat.
Q: Back to the album, it's pretty timely that you covered "It's All Too Much," considering the 30th anniversary of the "Yellow Submarine" album.
A: Yeah, a lot of people say that. That was a complete coincidence.
Q: In the liner notes, you thank "everybody who responded to the band's invitation to submit their cover art for this CD." Did you have a cover art contest?
A: We just, The Church being what it is, no one can ever decide on anything. What we did was we got a few really great internet sites. There's one called Seance, which is kind of a mailing list one. Then there's one in Australia called Shadow Cabinet which somebody outside the band runs. He's got lots of information, reviews and anything he can get his hands on. Those two sites pulled their resources for people to start sending in ideas for covers. We got like hundreds of them. I think everyone in the band picked their two favorite ones to put on there, which was the most democratic way we could pick the cover. (Runners-up are inside the fold-out CD booklet.) And you don't have to have the cover that's actually turned out to be the cover. You can change it around and pick anyone you like. I actually like one of the other ones better than the one that actually became the cover.
Q: Which one is that?
A: I like the gray, sort of eagle carved into the stone. That would have been a good cover.
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Still waiting for my delivery of "Box of Birds" Apparently, they're flying a detour route.

Re: Crosby. By the end of the night, I was tired, hostile, cramped in, too drunk. The ticket prices weren't too bad, so I did feel like a part of a spectacle. Kind of like audience participation performance art and it was a show for the annals of freebasing history.

I felt really sorry for the opening act, who had to play off and on for a couple of hours when he had about half an hour of material. PS, Did not buy opening act's CD. Never wanted to hear him again! Ever.

My friend and I have pretty good senses of humor which remained intact throughout, so I'm sure that helped. It helped that the show was only fifteen minutes from my house.

That's not the first time he's berated an audience . Sometimes I've felt like a misbehaving child even when I was just standing there. Luckily, the shows would end with a great deal of energy that would make me forget that I was part of a "bad" collective audience. I so love being scolded.

I do like a lot of his music, but I don't own much of his solo stuff or his Crosby-Nash stuff. And none of his CPR stuff.

I've seen him play since then, both with CSN and his other band (which I don't really like) He is better behaved off drugs, somewhat Buddha serene and playful, but I don't know how much of that is choreographed.

From what I understand, CSN once said they would never play on the same stage again since they don't always get along so well. So to get around that little lapse, since touring is a pretty good source of their revenue, they each stand on a different type of flooring when they perform. Sure enough, when I went to see them a couple of weeks ago, each of them had their own separate squares of flooring.

A couple of years ago, I intereracted with Crosby on the internet. because he used to participate on a forum. Hard to gauge him because almost everybody on the board was such a freaking synchopant. Oh, isn't David wonderful, this. Oh, isn't David wonderful that. I can't stand that for anybody. So I got into a theoretical discussion with him about Menage a Trois's (because of his song Triad) and argued on a few other issues. But my computer crashed a short while later and it took me years to get another one. By the time I got a new one, he was no longer on board.

I still go to see CSN often enough, but mostly for S. I've met Stephen Stills a few times and he's never been nasty, and oftentimes really nice. Bright man. (not that he hasn't had his drug moments.) And to give Nash credit, he has always been friendly.

Always said I wanted to fuck Stephen Stills and be Neil Young.
Haven't done either.

RE: Box of Birds interview. Pretty funny stuff. They sound a little surreal. You got to love self deprecating humor. Laughed out loud when I got to the part about only one chord. "Why bother to learn one with lots of chords?"



Almost spit out my coffee. OK, it's a given. I'll like their music.
They captured my imagination.
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The Birds finally came home to roost.

Just got done listening to it. They are wonderfully dark. Loved the cover of Cortez. Really loved that cover.
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The Birds finally came home to roost.

Just got done listening to it. They are wonderfully dark. Loved the cover of Cortez. Really loved that cover.
Yay! Glad you like it. Cortez The Killer was the first song that really grabbed me off the album, and it is still the one I am most likely to put on repeat. But I've come to enjoy the whole thing too.

I think as a band their more recent music (since 1992 I'd say) is more dark than their earlier work. They've always had a healthy dose of melancholy in their work, but it's much darker now. Although I like most of their work, I really like their more recent stuff the best.
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Q: Why is that?
A: Um, it's funny. I had this old Scottish aunt. When I was about 10 we were watching the Beatles and she said, (copping a Scottish accent) "Who's your favorite Beatle?" And I said, "Paul." And she said, "Sissy." I was about to say John and I could tell she was looking at me, and I said, "George?" And she said, "Good boy." After that I was always afraid to like anyone else.
LOL!

*Likes George's music, too (at least, all the stuff I've heard, both from his time in the Beatles and solo) *

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A: You like that? That's another song that's all in G. That's why I did that. Some people had (problems) with us doing that. They thought it was stupid. Some people don't like The Church to be funny. If ever we do anything funny, people don't like it. I guess you're going to (the show) for something serious, and we sort of painted ourselves into a bit of a corner. A review in an L.A. thing used a word I hadn't read for a long time in awhile, "mope rock." What a stupid term that is. You don't want your mope rockers making you laugh, do you? You're damned either way. If you're funny, half of them like it and they do have a sense of humor, and the other half don't. You know what I mean?
This is true. They want these people to lighten up and have a sense of humor, and when they do, people will whine that they should go back to moping, as they do that best. Go figure the public sometimes-musicians can't please everyone, I guess. We're just too damn fickle .

I'd personally like to hear that interlude with that song.

Also, uh...I don't mind the Barenaked Ladies, personally . I'm not a big fan or anything, but I can hear a song of theirs on the radio every so often without harboring some of the feelings Steve does, LOL .

Interesting story about Steve being arrested and not being able to be with the other band members at that show. Has anything else like that happened since then? Or has he been a good boy ?

Also funky to know Rick Springfield did a cover of "Under The Milky Way". Of all the people, huh?

By the way, I was listening to "After Everything" again yesterday...that really is a pretty song. Doesn't hurt that musically it kinda sounds like something I could've heard another artist I like doing around the time of some of his work he'd done in the late 90s . And while listening to some of the songs from the non-Church related CD you sent me, I noticed that when you mentioned Steve worked with one of the artists on there, it definitely showed (that CD had some good stuff on it, too ).

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