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Old 08-20-2005, 02:01 AM   #181
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I'll include that cover when I get the bootleg for you.




I like them too. I like seeing the normal human side, and it doesn't really get much more normal than those photos. I mean just about everyone has similar photos when they were young. Kid sitting in his room playing his guitar, little kid standing there for a snapshot.

I still really like getting the human side. About SK, I find it interesting knowing that his mum still tells him what to do (lately it's been "do the nostalgia tours" ), and that he still ignores her. That his brother comes over and looks at a group of paintings he's just done and is really pleased with and says "you should change your signature" and that's it (siblings! ). That he worries that his teenaged daugthers will run into "guys like me!" That he was thrilled to see a baby octopus in the kiddie pool where he goes to swim every day. That when a small group of us fans sent him some gifts for his birthday he was so excited and happy. He said it was like Christmas when he was little -- when you'd get fun, exciting gifts, "not just socks and undies," which for some reason made me laugh really hard.

All things that are so completely normal... And yet, I can't even imagine being able to come up with the songs and poetry he does. Makes for a fascinating dichotomy.
You mentioned SK's brother. That's a blast from the past. His brother had a band too, the Crystal Set. I can't seem to remember his name, though.
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You mentioned SK's brother. That's a blast from the past. His brother had a band too, the Crystal Set. I can't seem to remember his name, though.
Yeah! Russell. He has two brothers -- Russell and John. Russell is the who made the comment though.

I really enjoy the Crystal Set stuff I've heard. I think some is supposed to be rereleased sometime (just on the tiny Karmic Hit label John runs, but I'd like that anyway).

John also had a band, The Bhagavad Guitars. I like some of their work as well. But I like the Crystal Set better.
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Sometimes, I like to know where a musician is coming from when I listen to the music, particularly when someone is not straight rock and roll. (Like, I don't really need to know where the Stones are coming from. I like their music, I just don't feel the need to go much beyond that--although some background on their slower stuff was interesting).

Sometimes the worst person to explain the music is the musician. I've loved a song, heard a musician explain it and could never listen to it the same way again. But when you can pick up on references in songs because you know something of the musician's background, that's pretty cool. I love finding the pieces of the puzzle.

So anything you can dig up on "Box of Birds" would be appreciated.
The Church very rarely put the lyrics on their albums (a few of the early ones have them, but none of the later ones). And part of it, at least according to SK (who is the main lyrics guy) is that he found he found he enjoyed albums he had to work out the lyrics for himself more than ones where they were just given to him. And he rarely tells what a song is supposed to be about either, for much the same reason. So many Church songs have as many meanings as there are fans.

And part of the reason the lyrics don't get put on the albums is that he's a lazy sod.


In looking for info on BOB, I found an interview where SK mentions Neil Young (and a few others). He was talking about being an older musician. (I put up the link to this interview early in the thread, but the interview was really long -- they talked for nearly two hours -- so I doubt anyone read very much of it, if any.) I though you might find it interesting.



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SK: And I think that the only gimmick I really have now is to be one of the few guys, and there are some others, but to be one of the very few guys who actually is getting better as he gets older, as you would expect someone to do at any given profession. I think I probably said this in another interview but if I was a doctor or an architect, I would expect at fifty I would be right at the peak of my powers. And I don't see any reason as a musician, or a songwriter, or a lyricist, or a singer that that shouldn't apply in the same way. The only strange thing is that people are kind of noticing it, and kind of talking about it, and that just shows how weak the other people were who got worse as they got older, and what suckers they were, and that they weren't real to start with. It was all just an act. And only the real guys -- the Dylans, and the Cohens, and the Neil Youngs, and hopefully I can move into this as I get older...it would be the genuine article. The people who are doing it for the love of what they do, and because they felt they had something to give, not because they were like -- I don't know, the Psychedelic Furs, or fucking Howard Jones, and Culture Club, sort of trotting around endlessly doing a show of their moment in the sun.

HS: Right.

SK: That was never my idea. It was probably never their idea, but after a while, I don't know, a funny thing seems to happen in rock n' roll with people -- they run out of ideas. [Heather laughs] They do! And I read your [review] today, and you said I sang it better now than I would have ten years ago, and that's absolutely true. But there's not a lot of people you can say that for. If you took Rod Stewart and you go no, no, no, the further you go back [both laugh] the better and better he was singing. But why is that? Why does that happen? Why do they lose their...verve? I don't know.

HS: There's a memory I have from the tour for After Everything Now This, watching sound check in Philadelphia. One of your girls was very upset, because her dad had to go up on stage and do sound check, and I remember you singing to her from the stage. It was this cute little song for her, and then you promptly went into "I Wanna Be Your Dog." [Steve laughs] And I remember thinking it was the perfect example of balancing that contrast -- because I think that is where a lot of people do get in trouble with rock music, as far as performers go; being the Rolling Stones and trotting around acting like you're still twenty-five when you're --

SK: Sixty!

HS: -- you're past that, yeah.

SK: There's nothing wrong with being sixty, as long as -- like, the other night I was watching that movie Troy, which is a terrible movie, but there's a few of the old kings in it, [and] I'm starting to check out old guys and thinking 'How do you get old?' And there were some old guys in that, sixty-odd type dudes, and they were totally cool, you know, they had white thinning hair and white thinning beards, but they had the bearing and experience that is just as important, and is a counterpoint to the glowing beauty of youth. And it's unnatural when you're sixty not to be sixty, but sixty doesn't have to be entertainment, and it doesn't have to be some washed-out, bloated old parody. I can't see why -- and as I say, Dylan or Neil Young, you don't see those guys -- they still fucking got their bite, if they want to have it, and they've still got their edge, and I don't see why you couldn't have it at ninety. I don't see why it has to be a thing that can only be connected with youth. I mean, actors can be good when they're old.

HS: Right.

SK: I don't know, I guess I'm... [Laughs] Why am I going on and on about this?

HS: Well, obviously, you have a milestone coming up this year, and it's on your mind because you've been talking about it for twenty minutes, referencing it -- how do you feel about turning fifty this year?

SK: You know, I'm kind of welcoming it because I like I said, now I've got a real gimmick. [Heather laughs] No, it's a real gimmick -- I'm fifty, but I rock! I fucking rock, baby! Give me a guitar and a band, and I'll go on stage and I'll rock. And I still can. But it's not stupid. I've figured out a way to do it. It doesn't have to be, "Oh, little mama!--" [Heather laughs] " -- with your tight jeans on!" That's silly, when you see a guy at fifty doing that. But when you see a guy at fifty come on like you see Dylan or Neil -- I mean, they're way past that now. Nick Cave, he's a little bit younger than me -- he's pushing fifty, though -- and when he sings his songs it isn't ridiculous because they can come from a twenty-year old man, or they can come from a fifty-year old man, do you know what I mean? And Leonard Cohen, and...There's a few, I guess. I think John Lennon maybe could have been one as well, you know, sort of resisting the bullshit of it all. Kind of staying where you always were: independent, and not believing the imbeciles around you, telling you to do this and do that.

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Yeah, that's it! Indra, is there nothing you don't know???
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Yeah, that's it! Indra, is there nothing you don't know???
Well... I did title this the "everything you ever wanted to know" thread....

And all my useless information has to go somewhere....

I don't think I know either Russell's or John's birthdays....
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Ooohh... if you think SK comes off as a cranky old bastard, you need to read this from MWP...cranky not-quite-as-old bastard. But I do agree with him...and it is certainly what The Church has done.

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VR: How has the Church evolved since the popularity explosion of "Under the Milky Way"?

MW-P: Well, as with any good band, you evolve away from it. Most of the bad groups stay with it and then split up because of their lack of an imagination. I think more of the interesting groups usually jump away from the commercial aspects and get into a more experimenting or interesting place. I think that is what we do. Some people say that we are mad because we could have cashed in more on our success. But we can’t because we are not those people – we are just the confused idiots that we are. That’s all that we can be. And if people don’t like us as confused idiots then they should get on with liking the controlled, pretend-to-be-confused idiots like Limp Bizkit, who run around like they are completely out of control, but they are really rich and sitting around really planning their f@#$%ing world takeover. We have never done that. We are not here to take over the world, we are here for people to come to us on our level, uncommerciably and like what we do. If they don’t like it, then we don’t care and they can go. We are not here to impress the world about how successful we are and how many people we can play to. We are here to make the music that we want to make. We are lucky enough to be able to have done that. I wouldn’t be Poison for all the tea in China.

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Thanks for the interview.
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I'll include that cover when I get the bootleg for you.
Oh, cool ! Thanks .

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I like them too. I like seeing the normal human side, and it doesn't really get much more normal than those photos. I mean just about everyone has similar photos when they were young. Kid sitting in his room playing his guitar, little kid standing there for a snapshot.

I still really like getting the human side. About SK, I find it interesting knowing that his mum still tells him what to do (lately it's been "do the nostalgia tours" ), and that he still ignores her. That his brother comes over and looks at a group of paintings he's just done and is really pleased with and says "you should change your signature" and that's it (siblings! ). That he worries that his teenaged daugthers will run into "guys like me!" That he was thrilled to see a baby octopus in the kiddie pool where he goes to swim every day. That when a small group of us fans sent him some gifts for his birthday he was so excited and happy. He said it was like Christmas when he was little -- when you'd get fun, exciting gifts, "not just socks and undies," which for some reason made me laugh really hard.

All things that are so completely normal... And yet, I can't even imagine being able to come up with the songs and poetry he does. Makes for a fascinating dichotomy.
Totally understand all of this, especially the part about trying to compare the normal, everyday stuff to their amazing songwriting skills. I like hearing about things like that with the musicians I like, too, like hearing comments from their families about their work and them talking about their own families and whatnot.

That's a really nice comment regarding the gifts from the fans for his birthday. I already have a lot of respect for him based on the mere fact that he seems to really care about his fans. And he's got a sense of humor and writes good music to boot? Hey, works for me. LOL at the comment about his daughter, too.

Like the interview bits you quoted, too. I agree with a good deal of what's said in them, too.

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Mike Nesmith was my fave, he went on to write some pretty cool songs on his own, very funny guy.
My mom loves his solo work. When we were visiting Iowa last month, we went to a used CD store, and she found some CD of his there and got it. I've heard a few of his solo songs...yeah, they're not too bad .

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And of course his mother invented liquid paper
Yep. Needless to say, I don't think he's really hurting for cash nowadays.

indra, my mom and I used to watch the Monkees' shows together when I was little, too-they'd be showing reruns on TV or we'd rent the videos or something (and now my mom has a box set of their episodes, so we watch them that way. Told ya she's a fan).

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Thanks for the files indra!
I just sent a few I already had ripped to my pc. I'll send you a few more over the next day or two -- it took a lot longer to upload than I expected.
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So anything you can dig up on "Box of Birds" would be appreciated.
Found a couple of interviews where the making of BOB was discussed a bit. They aren't exactly calculating in their methods of album making...

This one was with Tim, the drummer/producer.

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HD: When choosing songs to be on the cover album Box Of Birds, what songs didn't make it on the album and why?

Tim: It was a bit of hit and miss accidental sort of thing with the band. In some ways, it was the first ten they could learn are the ones they picked out. You have to try and steer the ones you think are right into that first batch. If someone starts playing a song just off the cuff, and it's not a song you think should be in the pool -- you have to stop and discuss it immediately -- otherwise chances are that it will be in there. It's a bit like doing the live show actually.

HD: I've noticed that. Sometimes the songs are right on the money and sometimes you're almost negotiating on stage as you're getting ready to do songs.

Tim: When most of our negotiating is being done, it's not always happy.

HD: There's so much material to chose from (The Church songs and otherwise)...

Tim: Yes, too much...

HD: Maybe that's why the song All Too Much is on A Box Of Birds then...

Tim: We're not playing it live, because we feel that on the record it works with all the percussions and overdubs and things -- but live it's just a big dirge. (On Box Of Birds) we were trying to find a balance of songs they had done before -- it really wasn't suppose to be a cover album, just songs that they had done before. [ indra note: I'm not quite sure what the hell he means with that very last bit... ]
Still Tim, but from a different interview:

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Powles, who has been with The Church since 1994, has emerged as a creative visionary force who backs the band in roles of production and mixing. He said the band had tinkered around with Mott The Hoople’s “All The Young Dudes” on last year’s tour and planned to record it as a single for fan club members. Covering songs such as Neil Young’s “Cortez The Killer” and the ’70s punk band Television’s “Friction” is something the band had thought about doing for years, but it didn’t happen until the band came together for recording sessions for “Box of Birds,” Powles said.

“After recording these, suddenly it didn’t seem like an album by The Church at all,” he said. “From a distance, I suppose it sounds more like us more than we think.”
And an interview with MWP (who goes off on a lot of tangents....):

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VR: Why did you guys decide to do an album full of cover tunes?

MW-P: Originally, we were going to record a live album and we then were going to put out a covers record through the fanzine. But we decided not to release the live album because we didn’t like it. So the record company said you have to release a record then……..because they were expecting a record from us. We said, "OK, why don’t we do another eight songs for the covers records and turn it into an album."

VR: There are a lot of interesting cuts on the album, one being Hawkwind’s "Silver Machine." Did you grow up listening to Hawkwind?

MW-P: Oh yeah, I was at the concert – the famous Space Ritual concert which was recorded in Liverpool and London (Space Ritual was Hawkwind’s breakthrough 1973 live album). I was actually at that concert as a teenager.

....... and a bit later in the interview:

VR: You play Neil Young’s "Cortez the Killer" on Box of Birds. Do you think Young is the Godfather/Grandfather of Grunge?

MW-P: It’s not fair to label him with that. He is the grandfather of folk as well, then. Just because he rocks and he is over 50 doesn’t make him cooler than the fact that he plays beautiful acoustic songs. The kids want to like someone over 50 because he rocks. That is just stupid. Why does it matter if he rrrrrrrrooooooccccccccckkkkkks? We can rock after we turn 50 but so what. The big test is not winning the race but starting competing in it and surviving. It is doing what you feel like doing .

I particularly like it "it was the first ten songs they could learn" comment.... That's very Church-like.
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I particularly like it "it was the first ten songs they could learn" comment.... That's very Church-like.

The perfect garage band.

They sound like a lot of fun.
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OK, dumb basic questions.

How long have they been together? (May have been answered earlier but I couldn't find it)
Are they an extensive touring/live performance band?
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OK, dumb basic questions.

How long have they been together? (May have been answered earlier but I couldn't find it)
Are they an extensive touring/live performance band?
The formed in 1980. Three of the guys -- Steve, Peter and Marty -- are original members (although Peter took a break from 1992 to 1997 even though he did play on and helped write several songs on their 1996 album). Tim (the drummer/producer) did some drumming for them in 1994, and pretty much joined the band shortly thereafter.

They've been touring all through those years. I've seen five of their shows and really enjoyed them (despite the dreaded "technical difficulties" on a couple nights). And I actually like some of their songs (especially some early ones like "You Took" and most MWP vocalled songs) better live than studio. You get more of a feel of how they play off each other when they play live. When Peter wasn't a member the tours simply consisted of MWP and SK on acoustic guitars though. Steve has said he didn't want to play Church songs with a full electric band wirhout Peter.
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