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Old 08-22-2007, 07:35 PM   #16
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here's a link to Monday's Riggle appearance. Tuesday's might be there as well.

http://www.comedycentral.com/motherl...is_large=false

If that doesn't work, just go to www.comedycentral.com

ETA: Tuesday's report - Operation Fluffy Bunny
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherl...is_large=false



Oh, and Barack Obama is the guest tonight
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I was very disappointed with the Daily Show following the lazy conventional wisdom that if things aren't getting better in Iraq, it must be because the Iraqi government is lazy. Picking on its members for taking a vacation is so cheap, completely excusing the fact that the US Bush administration, especially Bush, takes frequent vacations and that Congress goes on vacation.

I especially disliked Rob Riggles' montage of US troops complaining that the Iraqi government wasn't doing its part, when they were sacrificing themselves so they could supposedly be corrupt. How about complaining about an administration that led them into war and many of them being implicit in such brutality by voting Republican and wanting war so readily without understanding people and not holding their own officials responsible. This is just cheap US nationalism that sees fault in the foreigner and is unwilling to question their own arrogance and unconscious racism. How many troops have used brutal occupation tactics to hurt and kill innocent Iraqis? There may be some good troops but they are not all saints by any means.

Very disappointing indeed!
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Meh. The Daily Show hasn't impressed me much at all in the past two seasons. Not sure what happened.
I agree. I think what may have happened is that Colbert took his talents and those of some writers when he went to create his own show.

I haven't seen anything as consistently funny on the Daily Show since Katrina in 2005. Since then, Jon's news coverage (which was the best part of the show) been watering down jokes, though I do think the pieces by other "reporters" have improved. I was never a huge fan of the exaggerated humor of the bald guy.
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Hey, man. John Oliver is the SHIT.

And I think everyone likes to smell his/her own farts. I know I do.
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At first the new guys (John Oliver, Rob Riggle,...) didn't seem too good. But you have to give them time. They have all turned out to be great. I still really enjoy the show, even if Colbert & Carrell have moved on.
I do like the newer, fatter bald guy. He's pretty good and so is the thin American guy with dark, curly hair.

I'm not a huge fan of Asif Mandvi. He overdoes the annoying self-important tone; I know it's supposed to be funny, but he really overdoes it. I saw him at the start of Spiderman 2 as the pizza delivery boss who fires Peter. These comedians get around.
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I'm not a huge fan of Asif Mandvi. He overdoes the annoying self-important tone; I know it's supposed to be funny, but he really overdoes it. I saw him at the start of Spiderman 2 as the pizza delivery boss who fires Peter. These comedians get around.
He's actually one of my favorite "new" characters on the show.

Another odd role...the other day I was watching an old episode of Sex and the City and he is the geeky computer repair guy that tries to fix her Mac.
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I was very disappointed with the Daily Show following the lazy conventional wisdom that if things aren't getting better in Iraq, it must be because the Iraqi government is lazy. Picking on its members for taking a vacation is so cheap, completely excusing the fact that the US Bush administration, especially Bush, takes frequent vacations and that Congress goes on vacation.
I don't think that was the message at all. Yeah, the US government takes vacations pretty often, but the US is not in the middle of a civil war with huge amounts of sectarian violence and chaos, and an occupying force in its land. Questioning the wisdom of a month long vacation given the state of the country is a perfectly legitimate thing to do in my opinion.

As for the bit with the troops complaining - do you honestly think the military would allow their troops' criticisms of the administration to be aired? It's not like Rob Riggle went in there and just taped what he wanted and they came back without anyone from the military going over the footage.
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I don't think that was the message at all. Yeah, the US government takes vacations pretty often, but the US is not in the middle of a civil war with huge amounts of sectarian violence and chaos, and an occupying force in its land. Questioning the wisdom of a month long vacation given the state of the country is a perfectly legitimate thing to do in my opinion.

As for the bit with the troops complaining - do you honestly think the military would allow their troops' criticisms of the administration to be aired? It's not like Rob Riggle went in there and just taped what he wanted and they came back without anyone from the military going over the footage.
Yeah, but the US is involved in that very civil war. One could ask if Bush should be taking a vacation when he's responsible for some much chaos. Given that his work days are not in the middle of a civil war only means it's less justified for him to take a breather away from the office; no one's planning on bombing the US Congress or the White House. The Iraqi politicians, however, are in a very mentally-taxing, stressful area and a break might help them think things through.

If Rob Riggle couldn't helpfully add to the debate, instead of flaring up cheap American nationalism that finds anyone but themselves to blame for the problems in Iraq, he shouldn't have done it.

I think it's such a copout to blame the Iraqi government, when this administration hasn't even deigned to speak with Iran and Syria, or been willing to promise the oil to the future of Iraq instead of trying to make a profit.

This is not to deny the responsibility of the Iraqi government, but I seriously doubt many in the mainstream US media, let alone the US troops, know exactly what to blame it for-- other than, "well, this war keeps going on, so it must be the Iraqis fault; it's certainly not ours; this problem is solvable and we're doing everything we can, so it must be the Iraqis being petty and childish because when they act in vengence, it's childish and irresponsible, but when we do it, it's about justice and honor and stability." I just don't see a strong case being made for why it's the Iraqis fault, when the US screwed up so much to begin with.

How many social problems does America have at home that are going to take generations to solve. Maybe it's the same in Iraq. I recall people like McCain saying, before America even began the war, that it would take over a decade to stabilize Iraq -- that it was a long-term committment.

I just think this kind of piece is irresponsible because it plays into the worst tendencies in America to bail out on the people they got into trouble; they just blame whoever was last president and accept no responsibility for voting for people who did these things or responding in polls overwhelmingly in support of a war against a people they didn't have the decency to understand. Bailing out is all about American lives, not Iraqis, for whom they claimed to fight. The wanted glory and revenge, and they haven't gotten it, so they want to go home. That said, I think the US should leave because its presence is just making things worse, despite the good intentions of many US soldiers. No one cares about the Iraqi collaboraters the Bush administration promised help to, and who aren't getting it. Or about the Vietnamese left in ruin, death, and generational birth defects when America supposedly accepted the humiliation of defeat, but not the responsibility for the Vietnamese people and its own veterans.
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I was very disappointed with the Daily Show following the lazy conventional wisdom that if things aren't getting better in Iraq, it must be because the Iraqi government is lazy.
I think u missed the point totally!!!
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I think u missed the point totally!!!
How so? The message of the piece was that the Iraqi government is lazy and the US troops are heroic and shouldering the burden blamelessly, and there was no room for explanation or subtlety.

I guess I sound kinda pissed, but you have to understand that these kinds of terrible mistakes weren't just accidents in the wake of Vietnam and the attrocities there. They were carried out willingly and in arrogance in the face of historical truths and what was likely to happen to the Iraqi people and the strengthening of Al Qaeda-type groups' causes.

And now, if the army pulls out, I fear American will only think about their domestic concerns and chuck any responsibility they should have toward Iraq to bootstraps logic of "it's their mess; they should clean it up." War is not a game, and Americans should have seriously realized this! And it would be nice if the president actually knew SOMETHING about Vietnam instead of completely miscommunicating the reasons for US failure and tragedy for US soldiers and especially the peoples of Indochina there.
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It might do you some good to stop taking tv shows so seriously. This was just one small bit in a comedy news show, and as such they aren't under that burden to fully explain their position. They can ask a few questions, but if you're expecting the Daily Show to do in depth analysis, you're in the wrong place. It's a comedy show, and they ran a skit - hell, the title of the skit was Operation Thunderous Cameltoe!

And really, I think it's pretty clear if you've been watching the Daily Show that they don't really think that this huge mess is the Iraqi government's fault.
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