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Old 08-11-2004, 12:25 AM   #1
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The Beatles

something disturbed me in the other thread.

some seriously music lovers claim to hate or dislike the beatles, despite the fact that they are probably directly responsible for most of what you listen to.

I need reasons

do you hate the brilliant structuring?
the intricate melodies?
do you cringe when Elenor Rigby is played?

help me to understand
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I donnae like the banality of the music and the lyrics. Sounds like nursery rhymes to me - no offense. Maybe because they were pretty much nursery rhymes to me. I was born in the 60s and teethed on Ringos head. (I had one of those Beatles dollies with the little body and the big head, good to cut teeth on)

The music is just a little bit too pasteruised for me. I like my music a little dirtier.

I do like John Lennon though. Got some of his solo stuff

PS I dont like Oasis either cause they are Beatles derivatives.
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I'd say most of what you listen to is derivative from the beatles.

and the lyrics are certainly NOT trivial by any means. Some are, yes, but many are dark and brooding, or joyful and uplifting.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind
Inside a letter box they
Tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe


and you have to realize that they had nothing to go on. They were pretty much founding a new genre. Even if some lyrics are banal, it must be acceptable for this reason. And because of the pure genius of the arrangements
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There probably are some darker Beatles songs and Im just not familar with them. Like I said I do like Lennon.

I can listen to banal lyrics. Hell Im on this forum cause I adore a band that can, at times, lose the plot lyric wise. And I have a tonne of disco boogie oogie CDs.

But I still gotta love the music too. The Beatles music seems to simple to me. And not in a 'beauty in simplicity' classic pop kinda way.

Maybe the Beatles music is intricate. Im an accountant. I think you are a musican, arent you? So you would know.

I think there probably also is a touch of having heard it all before.

I finally saw Casablanca a few years ago and couldnt get into the movie at all. It felt like I had seen all the bits before on documentarys, KFC ads, whatever, that when I watched the movie I was just watching all the pieces strung together. And I didnt enjoy it at all.

Maybe the Beatles are the same with me. More constant background music to my childhood that I dont like bringing them to the fore.

That probably doesnt make any sense at all. Sorry.
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I'm not really that much older, or at all, than people on here, but for me it is 27 years of them. I'm over them. I did like them once, quite a lot actually. But like most classics, even they have a used by date with me. I'd never really criticise them as in their day they were very relevant and definitely moved music in a certain direction. But these days there are other bands I want to see. I'm sorry George, Paul, John and Ringo. It's over. I dont have time for you anymore.
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well, I can't really see a lot of "brilliant structuring and intricate melodies" in their early work

not even any hints of it
(that's why I am sure they've got Brian Wilson to thank for exploring those possibilities)

and even if that isn't true
their copies did more enjoyable work than they did to my ears
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(that's why I am sure they've got Brian Wilson to thank for exploring those possibilities)
No doubt Pet Sounds had an influence. But lyrically Bob Dylan made quite an impression on the Beatles too (later work).

I'll agree with Basstrap in general about this... even if you don't have an appreciation for their music, their career demands a certain level of respect. A lot of bands owe a debt of gratitude to the Beatles for the pop idiom formula... in terms of mainstream recognition.

I don't listen to them that much personally, but regardless I give them a silent nod, a wink, and a thumbs up.
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Bassy,

While I understand that you love them and think everyone else should love them -- some of us have just never latched on. For me in particular, that isn't to say I'm not familiar with their songs or don't even really like some ("Hey Jude"), it's just that I haven't become a fan. I can justify not being a fan even if I have the utmost respect for what The Beatles have created with their musical legacy -- which I do.

I don't need to be a fan of The Beatles in order to like modern rock. I'm not even a fan of Elvis Presley (the singer) at all -- yet I have respect for what he did even if I don't care to become a fan. Different strokes for different folks, man.
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(that's why I am sure they've got Brian Wilson to thank for exploring those possibilities)

It was Brian Wilson who, after hearing Rubber Soul, decided to go about making the greatest pop record ever, thus producing Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds inspired the Beatles to make Sgt. Pepper...
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Bassy,

While I understand that you love them and think everyone else should love them -- some of us have just never latched on. For me in particular, that isn't to say I'm not familiar with their songs or don't even really like some ("Hey Jude"), it's just that I haven't become a fan. I can justify not being a fan even if I have the utmost respect for what The Beatles have created with their musical legacy -- which I do.

I don't need to be a fan of The Beatles in order to like modern rock. I'm not even a fan of Elvis Presley (the singer) at all -- yet I have respect for what he did even if I don't care to become a fan. Different strokes for different folks, man.
I know I know

but if I was all timid and non-confrontational...where would be the fun in that?
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I agree with HelloAngel

in the end respect doesn't want to make me listen to a cd


and the reason I named them in that other thread is because it seems that I should
there's not much to actually hate about their music
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It was Brian Wilson who, after hearing Rubber Soul, decided to go about making the greatest pop record ever, thus producing Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds inspired the Beatles to make Sgt. Pepper...
Looks like somebody watches their Time Life History of Rock n' Roll.



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Rubber Soul was the first album where every song served a purpose in the album as one piece
there were no fillers

that is what inspired Brian to make Pet Sounds

musically the man was ahead of Paul & gang until they released Sgt. Pepper
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Sgt. Pepper was inspired by Pet Sounds harmonically etc


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Re: The Beatles

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Same here. It seems odd to me that people should hate a band that paved the way for the vast majority of music (the classic 4 piece rock line up, the whole songwriting concept), even today - especially fans of a band who clearly lists them as their influence.

While one could argue they were the first ones and that it was easier on them, their music (the latter years certainly are not nursery rhymes) still stands and there has yet to be a songwriter that will match or even top Lennon/McCartney.
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