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So here we go... a little lively debate for the loyal u2 sports entusiasts here on feedback...

Who are the top 5 athletes of the past 20 years, and why do you chose them? Lemme here 'em... throw out all your options, and in a week I'll post a poll to tally up the final choices. Here's mine...

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Joe Montana. Doesn't have the pure numbers that Dan Marino had, but when it came down to it, one of the most clutch players in the history of the NFL. Wasn't the most athletic, didn't have the strongest arm, but when it came down to it, he was plain and simple, a winner.

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Tiger Woods. Changed the game of golf on so many levels. Got people interested who never even thought about golf before. Most pro golfers go their entire career without winning a Major. Tiger Woods goes 1 year without winning one, and people wonder what's wrong with him. He's just that damn good.

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Barry Bonds. In my opinion, the most under-appreciated athlete of our time. There's always some sort of controversy surrounding him. People think he's a bad guy... largely because he doesn't have a great relationship with the press. He's never been arrested for anything. He's only played for 2 teams in his life. He resigned with San Fran for less money than he would have gotten with, say, the Yankees, because he feels loyal to the franchise where both his father and Godfather, Willie Mays, played for years. People think he's on steroids, but those people also seem to ignore the fact that he hit 46 homeruns in 1993, the same number he hit in 2002. In 2001 he hit 73 homeruns despite the fact that no pitcher gives him anything to hit. Plain and simple... if the pitcher gives him a good pitch, he's hitting it, and he's hitting it hard and far. To close on Bonds... he is currently 4 homeruns shy of Willie Mays... 44 homeruns shy of 700... 58 shy of Babe Ruth... 99 shy of Hank Aaron... 144 shy of 800.

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Wayne Gretzky. The greatest hockey player of all time. Dominated his sport for years. Saved the NHL by increasing interest in the United States, especially in southern states with warm climates. Holds the single season as well as career records for goals, assists and points. Only man to tally 200 points in a season.

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Michael Jordan. No comments neccesary.
 
1. Larry Bird - had the talent, but more importantly, sheer LOVE of his sport and complete dedication

2. Jordan- of course

3. Tiger- no expl necessary

4. Williams sisters, cheating counting them as one-they're just supremely talented and broke real ground for female minorities in tennis and sports in general

5. I'd like to pick a baseball player, but I think all the great ones were probably more than 20 years ago. So I'll say Gretzky
 
1. Michael Jordan- The madn had so much love for the game and never before seen talent that he brought the game to a level never before seen

2. Wayne Gretzky-Is to hockey what Jordan is to bball

3. Tiger Woods- Nuff said

4. Walter Payton/Barry Sanders- Pure dedication and raw talent. They had the ability to blow your mind with every touch of the ball

5. Pete Sampras- The greatest to ever step onto the court. Pure class and love for a sport that needed it
 
Cajun said:
1. Michael Jordan- The madn had so much love for the game and never before seen talent that he brought the game to a level never before seen

2. Wayne Gretzky-Is to hockey what Jordan is to bball

3. Tiger Woods- Nuff said

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4. Joe Montana
5. Barry Bonds
 
would bonds be on this list if he didnt juice up like no tomorrow?

and monatana may be a great thrower and took advantage of a great system around him, but greatest athlete?

hell michael vick is more of a pure athlete than montana.

but are we defining "greatest" as in accomplishments, or pure athletic ability?

and what about lance armstrong, what about him i say
 
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when i say athlete... or athlets is i stupidly spelled it when making this thread... i take that as in the whole... pure athletic ability, personal accomplishments, championships, etc. i pick montana over marino. marino clearly was a more talented quarterback than montana, but montana was the complete package. the man was plain and simple a winner. michael vick hasn't done enough to lick the dirt off joe montana's shoes... yet. on pure athletic ability, #1 on this list would have been bo jackson. but i'm talking the athlete as a whole... the quan, if you will (yes i am now stealing lines from jerry maguire).


barry bonds. give me one shred of proof that he is on steroids. please do. i'm dying to hear it. everyone talks about how his homerun numbers are so jacked up now. well in 2002 he hit the same # of homeruns that he hit in 1993, and no one said he was on roids back in 1993. in every single athletic event, the athletes today are bigger, stronger, faster than in years past. people accept that fact in every sport except for one... baseball. if barry bonds started on a solid workout regiment throughout his professional career, of course he would be twice as big as he was when he first came up. this is a professional athlete with access to the greatest personal trainers in the world. look at michael jordan...

this is michael jordan in his lower 20s...
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Michael Jordan last year...
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Jordan is significantly bigger and more muscular now than he was in his early-20's.

Now Bonds...
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Yeah... Bonds is significantly bigger now than he was in his early-20's... 17 years ago. Now why does everyone single Bonds out as a steroid user and not Jordan? Bonds used to be a base running threat in his younger days. He certainly isn't anymore. But he can hit a baseball better than anyone since Ted Williams.

Everyone brings up Bonds because he's been made out in the press to be a bad guy. No other reason. You didn't hear the same remarks about someone who made a much bigger leap from his rookie year to his final year as far as size goes, and who happened to retire due to a knee injury that wouldn't heal, a common trait of steroid users...
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... and you never hear anything about a certain pitcher who is significantly bigger now than he was as a rookie, who has the tendency to lose his temper in the middle of a game for no appearant reason, another common trait of steroid users...
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... but you always hear about Barry Bonds. Why? Because he's considered to be a bad guy, thanks to the press.
 
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the reason i brought up bonds and nobody else was because bonds was the only one on the lists. bonds went from 49 to 73 home runs in the twilight of his career, in a park that is harder to hit homeruns. so you are saying he just naturally got that much more powerful over the course of a year, at a time when normal athletes skills are deteriorating and losing power.

his face is puffed up like the pillsbury doughboy, you are quite naive if you dont think he has juiced up.
 
He may have only had 49 HR last year, but check out the HR/AB ratios...

Theres no way Bonds isn't on the juice.
 
and others have gradually gotten bigger over the years, bonds went from 180 or 190 to 220 practically over night, and pure muscle too

you have to be on the roids to get that kind of results
 
1 Wayne Gretzky- I put him ahead of Jordan for the simple fact that he knew when to leave the game. He knew that he was at the end of his carrer and took the high road out, instead of making himself look like a idiot by returning numerous times! Oh and the fact that he has done everything in hockey there is to be done, twice!

2. Jordan- He is the b-ball king and will always be. He is a winner and could turn his game up to another level without a thought.

3. Brett Farve- He is what a athlete should be, a role model. He doesnt act as if he is above regular people. He plays the game with heart and determination that is above all others. He has a commitment to one team, Packers, which is rare in this world.

4. Cal Ripken Jr.- Here is another man who is an athlete to the core. He has the iron man streak and was a professional in all the sense of the word right up to the end. He didnt use drugs to further his game, he played with God given skills which is something many athletes dont do anymore.

5. Patrick Roy- Even though i am not a fan of his personality his skills are above and beyond the best the game of hockey ever came across. He has the all time wins lead (which i dare say will never be broken). He carried teams to the Cup and also knew when to throw it in. Also, when Canada wanted him to play the Olympics he said No so he could be with his son during minor hockey week in Quebec. Those are the things that make a man a legend and a hero.


Also a side note:

Some of you are arguing about whose juiced in baseball and who's not and why some dont get the attention they deserve. Wake up, they are all juiced. Clemens, Bonds, McGuire....lots more, in my books they dont get any credit!
 
again... show me some proof that he's on roids. just because he got bigger, whoopty doo. that doesn't do it for me. it's quite possiable that he IS on roids. pac bell was built with a short right field porch... on purpose... for bonds. yes, the rest of the park isn't great for hitters, but right field certainly is. EVERYONE's numbers are inflated of late... may it be "juiced balls," decreased strike zones, smaller parks, and expansion watering down pitching staffs. steroid users, especially ones who are up in age, develop nagging injuries that take a long time to heal, if they heal at all. this has not happened with bonds. he's been 100% healthy his entire career. now i'm not going to rule out that bonds might be on roids, but to say he deffinetly is just based on his numbers is stupid, and it is something that would not happen if bonds was considered to be a "good guy" in the press.
 
sosa is a perceived as a good guy and everyone thinks he's on roids, same as mcgwire, so thats nonsense
 
nope... greatest athletes in the world (my #2 athlete happened to be from canada, not america ;) )

i'm surprised no one's mentioned beckham or anything

anyways... my last thing on bonds.

in every single sport, it is an accepted fact that athletes today are bigger, stronger, faster than athletes of 10,20,50 years ago. every sport but one... baseball. in baseball there's always some sort of excuse out there on why the old time ball players are so much better than today's... roids, strike zone, height of the pitcher's mound, smaller ballparks, diluted pitching staffs, the DH, yadda yadda yadda. no one can accept the fact that these players just might be as good as the one's of yester-year. so now if everything is so much easier today for the hitters, then explain maddux, johnson, clemmens, pedro, schilling, smoltz and gagne... if people are going to argue that it's so much easier for hitters today, then the pitchers who put up phenominal stats must be the greatest pitchers of all time for being able to overcome those factors. anyway... you don't have to agree. i just put my 5 up and explained why. still haven't heard your 5 yet chiz... throw 'em out, and in a couple days i'll put everyone mentioned into a poll and let people vote.
 
Pitchers are worse today than say, 30 years ago. There are more teams, which has watered the talent pool down, as well as increased priority being put on the bullpen. There are so fucking many of them that are specialists, face only lefties or righties, and only have 1 out pitch. If they're off on nite they're giving up HR's galore. We'll have what? 3 or 4 20 game winners this year,
check out the total number of 20-game winners by decade in the expansion era:

1960s: 73
1970s: 96
1980s: 37
1990s: 34
 
I think this depends on how you define athlete. Personally, I would say the following adjectives should be considered when defining an "athlete." Again, in my opinion, strength, agility, speed, explosivness, coordination, and endurance make one athletic. I think to be a great athlete one must use all these skills in their sport.

Other definitions of athlete could also be championships won, how you change the sport, what you overcame, etc.
Those however, in my opinion, are the product of many variables, not just being a great athlete. I guess these things usually go hand-in-hand with being a good or great athlete. I just do not think one can say, for instance, that Tiger is a better pure athlete than a great number of people.

Note, I am leaving off soccer (football) players because I do not know enough about individual players to have an educated opinion on whos the best. In my opinion though I would say that the best soccer players are significantly more athletic (based on my definition) than any baseball player ever will be. To be a great soccer player one has to be an incredible athlete.
* edit (same as above goes for Tennis players)

In my opinion I would some of the top athletes in the last 20 years.

- Hicham El Guerrouj
- Lance Armstong
- Michael Jordan
- Michael Johnson
- Grete Waitz
 
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I don't know why the 70's had more than the 60's, but they still had almost 3x the number of 20 game winners as the 90's. Also, offense sell tickets, the owners know that, so do the umps. And don't think this new questec thingy isn't hurting pitchers as well, the borderline pitch goes to the hitter, not the pitcher.
 
once again... if you are right in saying that everything is geared towards hitting today, more than ever in the history of baseball, then the great pitchers of today... randy johnson, roger clemmoes, greg maddux, pedro martinez... are the greatest pitchers of all time, because they can overcome all these factors lined up against them and still put up numbers comparable to the seavers, gibsons and walter johnson's of the world. but baseball fans don't want to do that...

my only argument is this... the greatest of the greats could play in any era... be it bonds, mays, ruth or cobb... randy johnson, tom seaver, bob gibson or walter johnson. the greats would be great any era.
 
The pitchers of today are good, but the complete game is considered special now, when it used to be what was expected from a pitcher. Oh, and those old timers used to come to the plate 4x a game as well.
 
I figure its time to ressurrect this.

In lieu of the steroid talk now (that and I already typed a response then I just noticed how old this is, lol)


I agree with Chizip on the bond's issue. Its pretty obvious. Palmeiro was considered a "good" guy also, now no one wants to know him.

You want proof Bond's is on the roids. Go check his cap size. Roids make your head size increase. There is really no way to naturally do this. Look at pictures now and in the 90's. Its huge now.


Also you say his HR totals were that of 1993.....thats ONE YEAR way back 12 years ago. Come now.

(cough, Balco)


I will say this, he does seem to have a different strike zone than the rest of the players though. His is a postage stamp, I dont know why pitches that are called strikes for other players are not called strikes for him.
 
TheBrush said:
You want proof Bond's is on the roids. Go check his cap size. Roids make your head size increase. There is really no way to naturally do this. Look at pictures now and in the 90's. Its huge now.

eh hem...

my hat size has increased in the past 4 years.

the only steroid i've taken is brewed in dublin.

i believe chizip once pointed this out... thanks again.



do i believe barry bonds was on steroids? yes. is there any scientific proof of this that's ever been made public? no.

but i feel no need to argue over a 2 year old thread.
 
In no particular order.

1. Michael Johnson (athletics)
2. Tiger Woods (Golf)
3. Pete Sampras (tennis)
4. Diego Maradona (Football)
5. Lance Armstrong (cycling)
 
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