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Old 06-17-2008, 06:51 AM   #856
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I suppose. It just drives me nuts that teams like your Sox have fairly classy ownership, and we're saddled with this abomination. Hank is such an easy target for the media and opposing fans. George at least limited his stupid outbursts to a bare minimum the past few years, be it due to health reasons or not. Hank says something stupid at least once a month.

I hope Hal poisons him and takes over.
Who's to say Shallow Hal would be any better than Mr. Hankey?
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:49 AM   #857
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Poor Willie has finally been canned and Jerry Manuel is his replacement. Now, the Mets are really screwed.
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only the mets... ONLY the mets (well, okay and maybe the yankees in the 70s and 80s and probably now too with hanky poo in charge)... can do something that everyone knew was inevitable, that a majority of fans, media, and probably even players wanted to happen... something that needed to happen... and still fuck it up.

i wanted randolph fired, and i have no problem with manuel taking over on an interim basis. if he's successful, extend him. if he isn't, fire him and get a real candidate in the off-season... i.e. bring bobby V back from Japan... to open the new ballpark next spring.

but to have the guy fly all the way out to california, let him win the first game, and then fire him? what's the point? they should have never let him get on the plane.

apparently omar planned on doing the firing on the off day between the angels/rockies series's... perhaps he was spooked that they sent pelfrey out there against weaver, he gave up 6 runs and the mets won anyway and decided to can willie now rather than wait and watch the team get on a mini winning streak (much like the last time... they don't fire him, they go on a little run, only to inevitably fail again).



i'm glad he's fired, i'm super glad that peterson went with him... i just wish they would have done it in a classier manner.
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Pretty much agree with all of that. Just kind of a chickenshit way to handle things. Hell it might have been wiser to can him last offseason after the collapse.

Good move by the M's canning Bavasi, though they did it about 2 years or so too late. Guy sucks. Just going into the season with Jose Vidro as Plan A at DH should have been grounds for immediate sacking. Hopefully somebody with a brain will get that job...I could see Cashman heading out there next season, God knows he's got to have had enough of Mr. Hanky.

It was pretty funny, John Kruk and his little buddies spent 10 minutes killing Hank for his NL DH comments, calling him an idiot etc...then went on to agree the leagues should play by the same rules.
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Who's to say Shallow Hal would be any better than Mr. Hankey?
He, by all accounts, is a much quieter/introspective individual. He cannot be worse.
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then went on to agree the leagues should play by the same rules.
they should... no DH. but the MLBPA would never agree on that, so it'll never happen.
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He, by all accounts, is a much quieter/introspective individual. He cannot be worse.
Hal has the little thing in one's brain that causes one to think before they speak... must have come from mrs. steinbrenner's side of the family tree.
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but to have the guy fly all the way out to california, let him win the first game, and then fire him? what's the point? they should have never let him get on the plane.

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jerry fucking manuel???

are you fucking serious???

yeah I know he's the just the "interim" but jesus christ...

I watched that fucker manage my team like a pussy for 6 fucking years. he's a nice guy, sure. pretty low key. but he brings fucking NOTHING to the table in terms of adding something to a team that needs it.

he sucks. hes a bitch. he sucks.

wow, the New York Mess really fucked it up this time. Why replace Willie with a goddam paper-thin baseball guy?

Nice upgrade Mets!

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So tell us how you feel about Jerry Manuel

Yeah no DH, great idea. OK I'm gonna sound like whiney Hank here but bear with me. I'm watching the Sox/Phils on ESPN last night and Bartolo Colon comes up, not once but twice, with 2 on and 2 out. And the announcers are just busting a gut laughing at Colon hitting, just cracking up as if the Sox were sending up a little kid to hit or something. Mind you this is Major League Baseball. Yeah I'd SOO rather see that than Jim Thome hitting, or Paul Molitor, or Chili Davis. Pitchers hitting is a joke unless it's Micah Owings or Big Z or whoever. I'd rather have the DH.

But yeah, either way it should be the same in both leagues.
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jerry fucking manuel???

are you fucking serious???

yeah I know he's the just the "interim" but jesus christ...

I watched that fucker manage my team like a pussy for 6 fucking years. he's a nice guy, sure. pretty low key. but he brings fucking NOTHING to the table in terms of adding something to a team that needs it.

he sucks. hes a bitch. he sucks.

wow, the New York Mess really fucked it up this time. Why replace Willie with a goddam paper-thin baseball guy?

Nice upgrade Mets!

... because it's an interim basis and if they can't hire the guy they want then they want to make sure it's someone who they can easily replace at season's end?


if they gave manuel a long term deal, i'd be right with you... but it's on an interim basis. manuel is a laid back guy, so was willie. the players seem to like manuel, and in reality it's all on the players. the point of the firing was to mix things up... to send a message. who it is, for now, doesn't matter. sometimes a change for the sake of making a change is a good move.

if it doesn't work i full expect omar to go try and bring bobby valentine back home from japan in the off-season... if omar still has a job, that is.
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sometimes a change for the sake of making a change is a good move.
I agree. Good point.

I just can't help but thinking that Manuel might be the wrong person to bring in at this moment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for the Mets to succeed out in the NL. I hope they face the Cubs in the first round of the playoffs and fucking sweep those fuckers.

I think that the Mets signing Santana this offseason was the best free-agent signing maybe of all-time and is a perfect fit for them. He is just one of my favorite pitchers and it's hard for me to root against a team that features a talent the likes of Johan Santana. He is one of the most remarkable pitchers I've ever witnessed. Flat out.
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I think that the Mets signing Santana this offseason was the best free-agent signing maybe of all-time and is a perfect fit for them. He is just one of my favorite pitchers and it's hard for me to root against a team that features a talent the likes of Johan Santana. He is one of the most remarkable pitchers I've ever witnessed. Flat out.
You know, why don't we wait a few years and see just how great of a trade this turns out to be. I love Santana and all, but, it's a tad early to crown this as the best anything yet.

Also, he was not a free agent. He was traded for.
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the best signings of the free agent era in baseball both belong to Boston... Pedro Martinez and Manny Ramirez. i can't think of any other move that compares with those two.
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“My only message is simple,” Steinbrenner said in Tampa, Fla. “The National League needs to join the 21st century. They need to grow up and join the 21st century.”

Steinbrenner said he was angry and added: “I’ve got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He’s going to be out. I don’t like that, and it’s about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s.”


psst... someone should tell Hank it's from the 1970's and the great yankee teams of the 20's, 30's, 50's and 60's all played without the DH.
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