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Old 06-03-2008, 09:17 PM   #721
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i completely forgot about joba starting tonight. 2 and 1/3rd? well done.

i felt it was appropriate that joba's 8th inning replacement blew last night's game, though. still think it's a terrible decision to move him to a starter. i suppose they could always move him back if it doesn't go well, but would he really go for that?

to put on my hubie brown voice for a second... here you have a guy who clearly has the makeup and moxie to replace the legend that is mariano rivera, who i guess some in yankeeland have forgotten was the most important part of the late 90's championship run.

was also a wise choice to start him against roy halladay, who if the game went 14 innings might just pitch all 14 of 'em.

lastly... as i have just flipped yes on... i'd just like to add that gary cohen shits on michael kay any day of the week.
You are right about:

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Starting Joba against Halladay

You are wrong about:

Not moving him into the rotation
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:20 PM   #722
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Starting Joba against Halladay

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Not moving him into the rotation
we shall see
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:31 PM   #723
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the reaction i just saw on the YES "Game Summary" pretty much sums up why i don't think Joba will work as a starter... he gave up 2 runs in 2 and a 3rd, didn't pitch well but it's not like he gave up 6 runs in the first or something... so it wasn't a complete disaster... yet there he is on the bench, after one short start, losing his F'ing mind.

that makeup works in late game situations when you need to get yourself amped quickly... a starter needs to be a tad more calm and cool than Joba.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:37 PM   #724
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the reaction i just saw on the YES "Game Summary" pretty much sums up why i don't think Joba will work as a starter... he gave up 2 runs in 2 and a 3rd, didn't pitch well but it's not like he gave up 6 runs in the first or something... so it wasn't a complete disaster... yet there he is on the bench, after one short start, losing his F'ing mind.

that makeup works in late game situations when you need to get yourself amped quickly... a starter needs to be a tad more calm and cool than Joba.
But he was a starter his entire life up until last Summer. He started in HS, started in College, started in the Minors....he ended up in the pen out of desperation last season. He has ace stuff, and you do not take someone with that sort of potential and not start him. As you say, though, we shall see, of course......he could turn out to be a good starter and that still does not mean that I'm "right", it all depends on what the Yanks most need (See Red Sox, Papelbon).
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I said it before, and I'll say it again. I think Joba should eventually be their closer.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again. I think Joba should eventually be their closer.
But that's like two years away. Rivera signed a 3 year deal, and if you've seen him pitch this season, then you know that he's not showing any signs of aging. So he should pitch middle relief for two seasons waiting to be the closer? Who does that? The Blue Jays with Duane Ward waiting for Henke to retire.....who else? There are very few instances of grooming a guy for multiple seasons. Mariano took over after one year as a set up guy, cos Wetteland was a free agent, same with K-Rod/Percival, one year.

Yeah, look you guys all know your baseball and you know I have respect for your opinions, and there is really no right or wrong here, but, I just see his return to the rotation, where he was supposed to be in the first place, as a no-brainer.....no matter how fucked up Yankee middle relief is right now.
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Has anyone in here brought up or discussed Josh Hamilton? If the guy would have fought back from his demons and played just one game at the ML level that would have been quite the story. Instead, he's threatening to win the Triple Crown. In his first full year in the Bigs and his first in the AL. It's a little bit sick how good he is.
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My last post in here for the night:

Despite my feelings towards the Metropolitans, I cannot help but root for Pedro. I just enjoy greatness, and Pedro is the best I've ever seen. Highest career winning pct in MLB History for pitchers with over 200 decisions....pretty amazing in this live ball era.
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But that's like two years away. Rivera signed a 3 year deal, and if you've seen him pitch this season, then you know that he's not showing any signs of aging. So he should pitch middle relief for two seasons waiting to be the closer? Who does that? The Blue Jays with Duane Ward waiting for Henke to retire.....who else? There are very few instances of grooming a guy for multiple seasons. Mariano took over after one year as a set up guy, cos Wetteland was a free agent, same with K-Rod/Percival, one year.

Yeah, look you guys all know your baseball and you know I have respect for your opinions, and there is really no right or wrong here, but, I just see his return to the rotation, where he was supposed to be in the first place, as a no-brainer.....no matter how fucked up Yankee middle relief is right now.
Not middle relief, no. But definitely a set-up man for at least another year or so, and then gradually take over for Rivera. With a 1-2 punch like that at the end, why mess with it?
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My last post in here for the night:

Despite my feelings towards the Metropolitans, I cannot help but root for Pedro. I just enjoy greatness, and Pedro is the best I've ever seen. Highest career winning pct in MLB History for pitchers with over 200 decisions....pretty amazing in this live ball era.
That season he had back in 1999 was one of the best ever for a pitcher. He was robbed of the MVP.
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Josh Hamilton is pretty good at hitting a baseball with a stick.
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Has anyone in here brought up or discussed Josh Hamilton? If the guy would have fought back from his demons and played just one game at the ML level that would have been quite the story. Instead, he's threatening to win the Triple Crown. In his first full year in the Bigs and his first in the AL. It's a little bit sick how good he is.
I saw him in one of his first games up last year in Cincy last year. I knew he would be fun to watch. I was shocked to see him traded, but Cincy actually got a pretty decent pitching prospect, and had Jay Bruce to call up.

Knowing the issues he had prior, I am happy to see him doing well in baseball.
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Yeah, I remember reading a whole heck of a lot about Josh Hamilton when he was the big uber-prospect for Tampa Bay. Everyone and their mother was saying that he was a can't miss guy and a legitimate 5 tool player.

It's awesome that he's come back from adversity and is living up to his potential.

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But he was a starter his entire life up until last Summer. He started in HS, started in College, started in the Minors....he ended up in the pen out of desperation last season. He has ace stuff, and you do not take someone with that sort of potential and not start him. As you say, though, we shall see, of course......he could turn out to be a good starter and that still does not mean that I'm "right", it all depends on what the Yanks most need (See Red Sox, Papelbon).
mariano rivera and billy wagner were both starters their entire life as well... not many pitchers are drafted as relief pitchers. there isn't a kid alive who dreams of one day being a lefty specialist.

but obviously you're right in that only time will tell.


as for pedro... he's looked solid thus far. thrown 90 pitches through 5, and it looks like they're gonna send him back out there for the 6th as no one's warming up. he hasn't been sharp, his location is off, as would be expected... but the best sign is that his fastball was touching 92-93, which he wasn't able to do last season when he came back late, pitching mostly 88-89.
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I noticed that Pedro had a hit off Barry Zito. Good Lord, Zito sucks.
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