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Old 09-15-2007, 01:06 PM   #241
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Ok, let's get back on the races, which is what counts.............
It's the turn of the legendary SPA FRANCORCHAMPS!!

Ferrari looks pretty unstoppable for tomorrow, Kimi and Felipe are 1 and 2, Alonso 3 and Lewis 4
Other big chance for Fernando to reduce the gap!
In the last 2 times Kimi won here, so.....................................
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:08 AM   #242
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Bernie and the FIA have been in bed with Ferrari for some time now. I'm barely surprised by any eccentric things Bernie has his hands in these days, but this fine still managed to suprise me.

However, I also realize industrial espionage is a very real part of F1. The teams are all observing, spying on, and trying to copy each other or use the advantages gained by rivals to improve their own programs. That said, McLaren got caught doing some pretty heavy shit, and I'm sure another team will at some way down the line as well.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:16 AM   #243
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Hey, I looked at the qualy and the final results for Spa and I thought I was reading the same things.

Kimi-Massa-Alonso-Hamburger
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It's just a shame that one of the closest-fought championships in years has resulted in some pretty boring racing. Did McLaren get team points? Or are they gone from that for the year?
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No more points for the McLaren team this year. The drivers do get points 'though.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:47 PM   #245
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Bernie and the FIA have been in bed with Ferrari for some time now. I'm barely surprised by any eccentric things Bernie has his hands in these days, but this fine still managed to suprise me.

However, I also realize industrial espionage is a very real part of F1. The teams are all observing, spying on, and trying to copy each other or use the advantages gained by rivals to improve their own programs. That said, McLaren got caught doing some pretty heavy shit, and I'm sure another team will at some way down the line as well.



Again sleeping in the bed...............................
Old story, old smoke..................................



This time it wasn't at all a "just spying your flap" thing. Have you read the E Mails? They had every information about Ferrari, boy, McLaren got 780 pages of how Ferrari was built! I mean................is this a comedy show, or what...........
McLaren knew even when at Ferrari they were flushing down the water at the toilet........................ This is no spying anymore, this is even living someone else's life, I would say!
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I just can't believe it would happen in professional sport... why?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by COBL_04
I just can't believe it would happen in professional sport... why? [/QUOTE




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Old 09-18-2007, 05:19 PM   #248
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sorry... but what exactly does money have to do with stealing all Ferrari's shit?
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I'm not defending McLaren's actions, clearly they were wrong. But this industrial espionage shit has been going on with teams in F1 for donkeys years. And it's not a big secret that Max and his cronies created a witchhunt.

At least it's over now and Renault can sit in the hot seat for awhile.

What's everyone's view on Alonso's tactics at the start? I'm surprised he didn't take himself and Hamilton out after the first corner.

race start -
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Revised 2008 calendar.

16 March Australia
23 March Malaysia
06 April Bahrain
27 April Spain
11 May Turkey
25 May Monaco
08 June Canada*
22 June France
06 July Great Britain
20 July Germany
03 August Hungary
24 August Europe***
07 September Belgium
14 September Italy
28 September Singapore
12 October Japan
19 October China
02 November Brazil

* Provisional
** Subject to circuit approval
*** The 2008 European Grand Prix will take place in Valencia.



What's with Canada saying *Provisional?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:54 AM   #251
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What's with Canada saying *Provisional?
Bernie's usual bullshit. The Canadian GP circuit does need some facility upgrades, but then again most F1 tracks do. Barring, of course, the multitude of ultra-modern facilities cropping up in the far east, each designed with the same unemotional, inhumane touch of Hermann Tilke.

The same guy who ruined Hockenheimring is now building all the new circuits
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sorry... but what exactly does money have to do with stealing all Ferrari's shit?



Oh my, do you think Nigel Stepney did the whole thing GRATIS?
Do you think all the involved ones didn't have their nice part of money?
Do you think Ron Dennis didn't pay a "couple" of commissions?
Do you think there wouldn't have been loud recompenses at the end of the championship? Wins bring money.

Boy, F1 moves more money than the same World Bank, and you say what has money to do?
Money is always in the centre of everything
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oh my bad lol

hows about making the cars able to overtake? thatd be sick as.
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oh my bad lol

hows about making the cars able to overtake? thatd be sick as.

Look, if I got a project of a thing you're working on, then I can say:

"Oh, look, he has done it in this way, this is the weak point, this is the strong point, let me make it in this way!"

And moreover, McLaren had also all the results of Ferrari's tyre tests. Strange case, but evry other team who was with Michelin last year had tons of troubles this year to go well with Bridgestone (which became the only tyre provider) Just McLaren could go not only well, but incredibly majestic with the tyres. Where did they get all this? How was it possible that they had dates of past years, if they had Michelin? So, when you have all the infos about a competitor, it's a kid game to know all their imperfections, all their weak points, and to build your car in another way, and probably even a faster car.....................this is unfair

They have built the car with Ferrari's projects under their eyes, they knew everything about them, it wasn't so difficult to make a faster car......................
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I don't know if anyone caught the Japanese Grand Prix last week, but the last lap had some of the most exciting racing I've seen in a long time. A torrential downpour, and even though Hamilton won by a good margin, the racing between the Renault & Ferrari's for 2nd & 3rd, and 5th & 6th was unreal. Raikkonen made a great move to get past Coulthard for 3rd and you had a feeling he was gonna push Kovalainen in the final laps even in poor conditions. And he did. On the final lap, he was all over the track trying to get past the Renault, just missing wiping out numerous times. At one point, he made a great move and seemed to get past Kovalainen when suddenly the camera switched. The announcer goes "No! Don't cut away now!", but it was hard to tell what happened because they had cut to the other insane match going on with Massa's Ferrari & Fisichella's Renault, making it tough to know that these were two different cars. But while Kovalainen somehow held on to beat Raikkonen by 1 second, Massa and Fisichella were neck and neck through the final turns and were both all over the track, crossing over the grass coming back then passing each other again. It was as good as it gets. All four drivers pushing it to the absolute limit in pouring rain. Fisichella holding off Massa in the end by a TENTH of a second. A few inches difference. Unbelievable.
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