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Old 10-29-2007, 08:30 PM   #196
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Ok, I fluctuate with my interest. Give me a break.
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The season's not a write-off just yet, esp. after their last couple games.

I think I jinxed them
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^You think? Forget trading Sundin, they need goaltending and soon!
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you don't actually think that the wolves would be good in the nhl, do you?
Your assumption is far from what I was trying to get across here.
Actually, I can't say what would happen if the whole entire Wolves team was in the NHL. But, what I did say was this ... because,
The Wolves had a PERFECT starting record (6-0) that was BETTER than ANY of the NHL teams out there with their starting records ...
I thought The Wolves were FAR MORE 'superior' because of that PERFECT record.

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THEY'RE MADE UP OF PLAYERS WHO AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THE NHL.
Now, that's really funny you said that.

So, tell me exactly where Brett Sterling, Bryan Little, Mark Popovic, Darren Haydar and Ondrej Pavelec are now ??

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that's great you support your ahl club, but come on. you can ask the players and the staff of the wolves, and even they'd disagree with you.
They might disagree with ONLY a handful of their remaining players ... BUT, NOT the whole team.

There's 7 players on the Wolves right now ...

Jason Krog
Jordan La Vallee
Steve Martins
Alex Giroux
Kevin Doell
Nathan Oystrick
Fred Brathwaite

and if their parent club (The Thrashers) needed them on their team, they would be there ... in a snap of the fingers.
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^You think? Forget trading Sundin, they need goaltending and soon!
The goaltending isn't what’s frightening me, it's the defense or lack thereof...

It's the same old problem: consistency. One night they play like the cup is on the line the next night they wander around the ice like their dog just died...

It's extremely frustrating because you never know which Leaf team is showing up on any given night.
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The goaltending isn't what’s frightening me, it's the defense or lack thereof...

It's the same old problem: consistency. One night they play like the cup is on the line the next night they wander around the ice like their dog just died...

It's extremely frustrating because you never know which Leaf team is showing up on any given night.
And they just can't seem to win at home this year either! The opposing team is supposed to be intimidated by the homecrowd, not the hometeam!!
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I just read this somewhere:

Why won't Hamilton get an NHL team?

Because then Toronto would want one too.

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Your assumption is far from what I was trying to get across here.
Actually, I can't say what would happen if the whole entire Wolves team was in the NHL. But, what I did say was this ... because,
The Wolves had a PERFECT starting record (6-0) that was BETTER than ANY of the NHL teams out there with their starting records ...
I thought The Wolves were FAR MORE 'superior' because of that PERFECT record.



Now, that's really funny you said that.

So, tell me exactly where Brett Sterling, Bryan Little, Mark Popovic, Darren Haydar and Ondrej Pavelec are now ??



They might disagree with ONLY a handful of their remaining players ... BUT, NOT the whole team.

There's 7 players on the Wolves right now ...

Jason Krog
Jordan La Vallee
Steve Martins
Alex Giroux
Kevin Doell
Nathan Oystrick
Fred Brathwaite

and if their parent club (The Thrashers) needed them on their team, they would be there ... in a snap of the fingers.
fred brathwaite hasn't played in the nhl in years, and spent time in russia.

jason krog and steve martins are marginal players at BEST, and would at most serve as a fourth line alternative until the parent club finds a better replacement.

these are career minor leaguers you're talking about.

seriously, i can't believe i'm even having this conversation.

that's like saying crystal palace could challenge for a spot in the champions league or eufa cup. it's absurd. i really don't want to insult you personally, but you're really... really out of touch with reality in this case. i'm sorry.

you're truly comparing apples to oranges here.

once again though, you deserve props for cheering so fervently for an ahl team.. i think that's great.

but it's a minor league team. there's no comparison. there is noone in the hockey world, i promise you, who thinks that the wolves would compete in the nhl. they might win an odd game, but they would be the worst team by far.
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fred brathwaite hasn't played in the nhl in years, and spent time in russia.
Careful !! Careful ... who you feel isn't an issue.
There's talk going on at this very moment how our young prospect, Pavelec, might get sent back down to The Wolves team, so he can get 'ice time' instead of just sitting on the bench for Atlanta. If that happens, Brathwaite WILL be called up to Atlanta to back-up Hedberg and eventually Freddy will play.

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jason krog and steve martins are marginal players at BEST, and would at most serve as a fourth line alternative until the parent club finds a better replacement.
I don't believe so ... Atlanta is on the verge of possibly taking more Wolves players IF they cannot get themselves on a consistent win record. That's all that's being discussed is how to dismantle the Wolves team for their (Atlanta's) benefit. Which again, is very bad for us here in Chicago.

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but it's a minor league team. there's no comparison. there is noone in the hockey world, i promise you, who thinks that the wolves would compete in the nhl.
If I am so-ooo out of touch with reality ... then why are there SEVERAL Wolves playing on The Thrashers team ?? According to you and others here, there should NOT be a single, solitary Wolves player ... absolutely no one from their team to compete in the NHL. Although, there is ... and they're NOT there to 'look pretty' ... they're there because they were GOOD ENOUGH to make the team.

By you and everyone else here saying that The Wolves couldn't compete in the NHL ... I'm taking that as you're thinking the ENTIRE team. But, I am talking about SEVERAL of The Wolves players (NOT the WHOLE team) !!


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they might win an odd game, but they would be the worst team by far.
Actually, that title went to Atlanta BEFORE they made a coaching change. Now, The Thrashers (with all those Wolves players on their team) seem to be somewhat better improving. Heck, they managed to beat The Blackhawks, and that was a major improvement right there.
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If I am so-ooo out of touch with reality ... then why are there SEVERAL Wolves playing on The Thrashers team ?? According to you and others here, there should NOT be a single, solitary Wolves player ... absolutely no one from their team to compete in the NHL. Although, there is ... and they're NOT there to 'look pretty' ... they're there because they were GOOD ENOUGH to make the team.
I don't think this is what we, well at least what I've been saying at all. To be sure there's very good, young players on the Wolves roster. But just because several players make the jump from the Wolves to the NHL doesn't mean that they're all NHL-calibre players.

You have to look at the whole picture; you have to look at the reasons behind their call-ups. Perhaps the parent NHL club has suffered a rash of injuries and needs players to replace them. Maybe a player gets suspended and someone is called up to replace that player.In the case of Atlanta, the front office is in a state of disarray and this has had an effect on player-personnel decisions.

So yes, there have been several Wolves players that have and will be called up, but this doesn't guarantee that they will stay there or even have an impact. I'm using the Wolves here as an example but the same goes for all minor league players. How many times has a player been called up, played a few games, scored a few goals only to never be heard of again? This happens all the time, which is where the term "career minor-leaguer" comes from.

If several Habs players get injured and management calls up some Bulldog players I won't say "A-ha! This proves that the Bulldogs have NHL players on their roster!" They have some, but not everyone that gets called up will have what it takes to make it in the NHL in the long run.

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Actually, that title went to Atlanta BEFORE they made a coaching change. Now, The Thrashers (with all those Wolves players on their team) seem to be somewhat better improving. Heck, they managed to beat The Blackhawks, and that was a major improvement right there.
I'm sure the Wolves players had an impact, but if you look back on the history of all sports, not just hockey, more often than not a coaching change results in an improvement in play, at least in the short term. See the Blue Jackets last season after Ken Hitchcock took over. Time will tell in which direction the Thrashers are headed.


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By you and everyone else here saying that The Wolves couldn't compete in the NHL ... I'm taking that as you're thinking the ENTIRE team. But, I am talking about SEVERAL of The Wolves players (NOT the WHOLE team) !!
I think we all got this idea from statements, such as the one below, that you have made recently:


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The Wolves had a PERFECT starting record (6-0) that was BETTER than ANY of the NHL teams out there with their starting records ...
I thought The Wolves were FAR MORE 'superior' because of that PERFECT record.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you're saying that since the Wolves have a 6-0 record in the AHL that they're SUPERIOR to NHL teams such as Ottawa and Detroit that are 9-1 and 9-2, respectively.

Had the Wolves gotten that starting record in the NHL then you would have had a point. But the Wolves play against AHL competition, which AS A WHOLE is INFERIOR to the NHL. Therefore, your argument is null and void.

Let's say hypothetically, the South Carolina Stingrays of the East Coast Hockey League had started out 8-0 with no shoot-out or overtime losses(they're presently 4-1-1-0). Using your logic we could say that the Stingrays are "Far More Superior" to use your phrase, than the Wolves, Toronto Marlies or Philadelphia Phantoms. After all, they do have a better starting record than the Wolves, Marlies or Phantoms who all have at least a loss, overtime loss or shootout loss.

Yes, their stats and record may be better than the Wolves but the Stingrays play in the ECHL which is a level down in terms of hockey quality from the AHL. This is what I've been saying. You cannot say the Wolves are superior solely based on their record because they play in the AHL, which is a good quality league, but not the NHL, which by all objective standards is the best hockey league in the world.
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I really don't know who to root for anymore. I've lost all interest in the Leafs, who were my team when I was little, but I've got no attachment to them anymore since I stopped watching hockey altogether in the two or three years before the lockout, and now I've grown to dislike them. Not as much as I dislike the Senators and Canadiens, but I don't feel any compulsion to actively cheer for Toronto to do well. The only two Canadian teams I still could say I somewhat like are Calgary and Vancouver.

I find myself rooting against teams in almost every single game I watch rather than cheering for a team. It's a much better feeling when the team you're cheering for wins than when the team you're cheering for doesn't lose, if that makes sense.

When it comes to hockey, I wouldn't root for an American team unless I actually lived there. Any other sport, fine. But hockey = Canada. Period.

It feels almost like I'm picking a team from scratch. If someone held a gun to my head and told me to choose, I guess I'd go with Vancouver (I lived with 3 Calgarians last year, and they were pretty obnoxious when it came to the Flames). But I know absolutely nothing about them. As it stands though, I feel like I can't get into hockey as much as I'd like to without a definite team to cheer for.

This is a very weird situation to be in.

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It's sad to see so many, including myself, become so apathetic regarding hockey.

I think back to the heyday in Detroit, in the early to mid-90's and really wish it would come back, but too much has happened.

I still consider myself a Wings fan, but the excitement I once felt for the game isn't nearly on par to what it used to be.
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I don't think this is what we, well at least what I've been saying at all. To be sure there's very good, young players on the Wolves roster. But just because several players make the jump from the Wolves to the NHL doesn't mean that they're all NHL-calibre players.

You have to look at the whole picture; you have to look at the reasons behind their call-ups. Perhaps the parent NHL club has suffered a rash of injuries and needs players to replace them. Maybe a player gets suspended and someone is called up to replace that player.In the case of Atlanta, the front office is in a state of disarray and this has had an effect on player-personnel decisions.

So yes, there have been several Wolves players that have and will be called up, but this doesn't guarantee that they will stay there or even have an impact. I'm using the Wolves here as an example but the same goes for all minor league players. How many times has a player been called up, played a few games, scored a few goals only to never be heard of again? This happens all the time, which is where the term "career minor-leaguer" comes from.

If several Habs players get injured and management calls up some Bulldog players I won't say "A-ha! This proves that the Bulldogs have NHL players on their roster!" They have some, but not everyone that gets called up will have what it takes to make it in the NHL in the long run.
Just so you know ... there are SEVERAL Wolves players who have made The Thrashers team. The REASON they are on the Thrashers roster is BECAUSE they proved themselves in camp and were chosen as part of their team.

So, are you saying these players who have made the team for this particular reason, are NOT considered NHL-calibre players ??

Then what would you call them ??

There are only 2 Wolves players who are on the Thrashers roster because of injuries. Darren Haydar was called up because of Steve Rucchin's injury ... and Ondrej Pavelec was called to help back-up Johan Hedberg because of Kari Lehtonen's injury.
(Lehtonen is the one who is now affectionately called "The Glass Groin")

Although, it seems Pavelec's days of 'sitting on the bench and doing nothing' are numbered. He will get sent back down to the Wolves. (the only Q is when ??)





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Time will tell in which direction the Thrashers are headed.
Hopefully, out of 15th place would be BEST NEWS EVER !!
Although, I don't support GM (and 'acting' coach) Waddell for his ridiculous antics. His job is on the line too, if The Thrashers don't continue to come back from behind.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like you're saying that since the Wolves have a 6-0 record in the AHL that they're SUPERIOR to NHL teams such as Ottawa and Detroit that are 9-1 and 9-2, respectively.
What I'm saying is ... What NHL team has won their first 6 games withOUT being defeated ?? That was how I compared The Wolves' record ... it was PERFECT, they were undefeated.

I didn't say 'Oh, The Wolves (meaning the team) DESERVE to play in the NHL (or play NHL teams) for that matter. You and everyone else assumed that scenario. My statement lies below ...

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By you and everyone else here saying that The Wolves couldn't compete in the NHL ... I'm taking that as you're thinking the ENTIRE team. But, I am talking about SEVERAL of The Wolves players (NOT the WHOLE team) !!

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Had the Wolves gotten that starting record in the NHL then you would have had a point. But the Wolves play against AHL competition, which AS A WHOLE is INFERIOR to the NHL. Therefore, your argument is null and void.
OK ... then let's discuss how INFERIOR the Blackhawks NHL team is. They are not even in a competitive class with the Wolves AHL team, BECAUSE of their organization. What do the Hawks ever do for the fans ?? Afterall, WE support them !! I tell you, The Wolves have more class in their little minor leagued fingers than the Hawks ever will. They don't give a royal about ANY of their fans.
That's what I call pathetic !!
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I give up.

You never address my points directly.

Debate over.
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Is that what you 'out-of-the-blue' think of saying when you don't have an answer ??


What did I NOT respond to ??


I believe I addressed your points ... and very clearly too.
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