The 2004-2005 Baseball Hot Stove Thread because I get to start one now

[Hewson]

Apparently the Sox also tried to trade Money Ramirez to the Mets for Cliff Floyd but the Mets said no.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

while down the line it may be a terrible move for new york, right now it's great. switching to the nl should help him, along with not having to pitch against the yankees if anything more than twice this year. pedro, glavine, benson, zambrano, trachsel will actually be pretty good. should reyes stay healthy, matsui play well, wright develop.... the mets may just be good. but they need a bullpen.

watch your tounge...

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Apparently the Sox also tried to trade Money Ramirez to the Mets for Cliff Floyd but the Mets said no.

floyd and prospects for ramirez and meincaviackecihkh... the mets just wanted the sox to take on more money... but frankly... if they do this, it's just dumb on the sox part, and if they don't... it's just dumb on the muts part.

 

[Numb1075]

does the midget have a shoulder made of "shreaded wheat" too like Pedro?

 

[Hewson]

That "midget", Nelson De La Rosa, just signed a six figure deal to be the new voice of the NY Mets radio broadcast, and is in negotiations to play Paul Bunyan in a new Broadway musical.

 

[Numb1075]

anyone is better than Ralph "Butcher any latin born player's names" Kiner

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

about the only + i can take away from this entire thing is david ortiz's comment last week about pedro "ain't gonna be no met." the fact that this move would piss off the only red sox i dislike more than pedro is all i have to hang on to here. so while it's a stretch... it's all i've got, so i'm stickin' to it.

 

[Numb1075]

You mean Cookie Monster? LOL

 

[Chizip]

bye bye edgar

i sure hope you can help those "under dog" red sox

 

[Hewson]

Maybe the underdog Cardinals can get Orlando Cabrera.

I wonder if Nomar regrets turning down that 4 yr, $60 Mil extension from the Sox last offseason. Well that 1 yr $8 mil deal with the Cubs should feed Mia.

 

[popacrobat]

the underdog cardinals have been talking to cabrera ever since saturday, polanco as well for 2nd base.

 

[Chizip]

cabrera will command they type of money the cardinals offered renteria, but why would they make the same offer to a lesser shortstop

im thinking polanco for second, and someone like julio lugo for short

we need to get hudson

 

[popacrobat]

if they dont get hudson then the offseason is all downgrading, unless they do get polanco which is a bit of an upgrade. lugo would be fine at short by me, i just hope they dont bite the bullet and overpay for orlando (ala tino martinez).

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

NEW YORK -- Pedro Martinez, welcome to New York.

Martinez passed his physical Wednesday, and the Mets finalized their $53 million, four-year contract with the pitcher they hope will take them to the postseason.

The Mets scheduled a news conference for Shea Stadium on Thursday at 11 a.m. to introduce Martinez, who turned down a $40.5 million, three-year offer from the Boston Red Sox and told his agent Monday to work out a deal with New York.

The total guaranteed value of his contract was obtained by The Associated Press from a baseball official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Martinez, a 33-year-old right-hander, has had shoulder problems at times. He had a physical in New York and passed it, Mets spokesman Jay Horwitz said.

Earlier at a children's holiday benefit at Shea Stadium, Mets general manager Omar Minaya avoided questions about the agreement. Dressed in a red turtleneck shirt with a Mets' blue and orange Santa hat in his hand, he said the team generally asks all players with a history of injury to have an MRI exam, saying an exception would be "pretty rare."

New Mets manager Willie Randolph played with Martinez's older brother, Ramon, with the Los Angeles Dodgers. Randolph remembered Pedro as a young kid coming up in the Los Angeles organization.

During parts of his seven seasons in Boston, Martinez often was allowed to arrive at the ballpark later than other players and to take extended vacations during the All-Star break. Randolph plans to speak with Martinez about rules.

"You don't have a lot of rules, but there are certain things that everyone has to abide by," Randolph said. "You can't have a different set of rules for different people."

Martinez went 16-9 with a career-high 3.90 ERA last year, when the Red Sox won their first World Series title since 1918, and was 117-37 during seven seasons with Boston.

Minaya said the Mets next will try to add offense, focusing on first base and right field, as they try to reach the playoffs for the first time since losing the 2000 World Series to the Yankees.

Mike Cameron, dressed as Santa Claus as he gave out Christmas presents to children, was at first surprised about Martinez's decision to sign with the Mets.

"I don't know the situation, but when it's all said and done, Pedro is a fierce competitor," Cameron said. "The guy's been a winner and he's been a great adversary. He'd be a great addition to the New York Mets."

 

[popacrobat]

Oakland traded right-hander Tim Hudson to the Atlanta Braves for two pitchers, left-hander Dan Meyer and right-hander Juan Cruz, and outfielder Charles Thomas on Thursday, the A's said in a press release.

 

[Mr. BAW]

Adrian Beltre signed with Mariners....5 years, $64M

Jeff Kent will now play third...Cora will stay at 2nd/ Izturis at SS

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Shawn Green to the Diamondbacks... Javier Vasquez to the Dodgers... Randy Johnson to the Yankees.

Deal is apparently all but done.

 

[Mr. BAW]

Who know WTF is going on...?????

are Dodgers getting rid of Green to make room for Sosa?????

 

[Hewson]

Shawn Green to the Diamondbacks... Javier Vasquez to the Dodgers... Randy Johnson to the Yankees.

A bit more detail...
Green, Brad Penny and a prospect to AZ, Vasquez and 2 prospects to LA, Unit to NYY.

 

[Mr. BAW]

Dodger GM said deal clears "lotta payroll" so he can find the finest of pitchers....what good does pitching get you if you have no hitters...?

Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
43 Yhency Brazoban R/R 6-1 170 06/11/80
-- Frank Brooks L/L 6-1 200 09/06/78
55 Giovanni Carrara R/R 6-2 230 03/04/68
46 Elmer Dessens R/R 5-10 200 01/13/71
37 Darren Dreifort R/R 6-2 210 05/03/72
38 Eric Gagne R/R 6-2 235 01/07/76
57 Joel Hanrahan R/R 6-3 215 10/06/81
-- Dennis Houlton R/R 6-4 220 08/12/79
17 Kazuhisa Ishii L/L 6-0 215 09/09/73
22 Edwin Jackson R/R 6-3 190 09/09/83
-- Ryan Ketchner L/L 6-1 190 04/19/82
-- Franquelis Osoria R/R 6- 165 09/12/81
30 Brad Penny R/R 6-4 250 05/24/78
-- Orlando Rodriguez L/L 5-10 155 11/28/80
50 Duaner Sanchez R/R 6-0 189 10/14/79
57 Scott Stewart R/L 6-2 225 08/14/75
56 Derek Thompson L/L 6-2 180 01/08/81
36 Jeff Weaver R/R 6-5 200 08/22/76
Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
-- Russell Martin R/R 5-11 200 02/15/83
40 David Ross R/R 6-2 215 03/19/77
7 Tom Wilson R/R 6-3 220 12/19/70
Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
-- Willy Aybar S/R 6-0 175 03/09/83
5 Hee-Seop Choi L/L 6-5 240 03/16/79
13 Alex Cora L/R 6-0 200 10/18/75
3 Cesar Izturis S/R 5-9 180 02/10/80
-- Jeff Kent R/R 6-1 210 03/07/68
-- Brian Myrow L/R 5-11 190 09/04/76
26 Antonio Perez R/R 5-11 175 01/26/80
8 Olmedo Saenz R/R 5-11 220 10/08/70
49 Joe Thurston L/R 5-11 190 09/29/79
-- Delwyn Young S/R 5-10 180 06/30/82
Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
21 Milton Bradley S/R 6-0 205 04/15/78
52 Chin-Feng Chen R/R 6-1 190 10/28/77
33 Jason Grabowski L/R 6-3 200 05/24/76
15 Shawn Green L/L 6-4 200 11/10/72
-- Jason Repko R/R 5-11 175 12/27/80
-- Cody Ross R/L 5-11 180 12/23/80
-- Henri Stanley L/L 5-10 185 12/15/77
28 Jayson Werth R/R 6-5 210 05/20/79



75% of this team have been Dodgers for less than 2 years...who are these guys????????

 

[MrBrau1]

Shawn Green to the Diamondbacks... Javier Vasquez to the Dodgers... Randy Johnson to the Yankees.

Deal is apparently all but done.

Maybe not. Green doesn't wanna leave LA, and he has a No Trade.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1947995

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

i really don't get why the dodgers would do this trade in the first place, especially in the wake of beltre signing with seattle. vasquez has proven that he can't get the job done in the clutch.... why trade away even more offense on an already weak offensive team for him? it doesn't make sense to me.

i think this deal eventually collapses and falls by the way side

 

[Hewson]

Vasquez may regain form once out of the glare of Yankee Stadium, a lot of pitchers can't handle it there...the Dodgers need look no further than Jeff Weaver, he pitched pretty well for them in '04 after sucking in Yankee Stadium in '03, much like Carl Pavano will in '05.

 

[Mr. BAW]

Take a look at their roster....doesn't matter if they have 5 cy young candidates...no sticks.

 

[speedracer]

Take a look at their roster....doesn't matter if they have 5 cy young candidates...no sticks.

2001 Diamondbacks?

 

[Mr. BAW]

No such luck,,,we're talking LA mentality...new owner, new GM...their hats are screwed on too tight.

 

[popacrobat]

what a disasterous offseason for the cardinals this has been. they lose renteria, can't land a big pitcher, have an 85 million dollar budget to work with and even the crappier teams like seattle, detroit and arizona can throw around way more money than they can.

to even get cabrera who isnt as good as renteria, it would cost what teh cardinals were willing to offer renteria. ok, so they still have pujols, rolen, edmonds, walker, sanders...which is a great heart of the lineup...but they don't have a middle infield, and they sure as hell better get polanco back for 2b and get somebody as a decent stop gap at ss...and get another reliever.

i wish they had infininte amount of money to spend like everyone else it seems

 

[Chizip]

well things sure have changed in a hurry

cards get mulder

im liking this

 

[popacrobat]

walt reads this board, it's clear.

 

[Mr. BAW]

Wow, things turned your way in a hurry!