Harry Smith: For the 2nd time this season there was no tribal council on Survivor: All Stars. The tough talking Sue Hawk decided she'd had enough after a run in with Richard Hatch.
<Video clip of a Sue confessional and reward challenge rant>
HS: Sue Hawk and Richard Hatch are here. Sue, I watched the show 2 weeks ago and it seemed like a momentary confrontation. It happened in 2 seconds. You got back to the camp. What was going through your mind.
Sue: That evening when I had time to be by myself I had time to relive the incident. It kept eating at me more and more like a cancer.
HS: Do you still feel that way now?
Sue: It's been a long time since that. Me and Richard have had time to sit down and talk about the incident. We both have different perspectives on it. We agreed to move forward and past it. Of course the viewing audience won't, they just saw it.
HS: What do you want to say to him?
Sue: You know, I can understand your feelings that you like to be naked, you're not uncomfortable with it but sometimes you need to take other people's perspectives on what's going on.
HS: You're downplaying it now but last night this was on the edge of...
Sue: That was at the moment. Fresh off the plate. When it was still hot. I'm adult you have to work through things like that in life. You can't shut them out at the moment but you grow from it.
HS: Do you think because you were out there, you were tired, hungry, did the physical deprivations play into your emotional response.
Sue: I wasn't thirsty and we had alot of food there. I was in really good shape physically and mentally. It was actually easier this time around.
HS: To clear the air, you need to tell him for the record for the audience what you felt when whatever happened, happened.
Sue: Feeling Richard naked next to you is not a food feeling, that's all.
HS: It looked like it had a devastating effect on you?
Sue: Well yeah, any sensible, I don't want to brush up against naked people.
Rich: We have a perspective of Sue Hawk as super tough, and I learned something. She's a sensitive person. It started to really, really get to her. It was emotional.
HS: We asked you about this last week and from your perspective it was no big deal. Let's look at the tape. You made the decision not to go this way.
Sue: I wanted the shortest route.
HS: There's about a 3 second... did Richard literally come closer to you than you felt necessary?
Sue: Yeah at the time, correct.
HS: When you were doing it what did you think?
Rich: Clueless. Those two beams are equal distance. From her perspective she wanted the shorter route. I don't know why she turned around.
Sue: I don't know what Jeff told your team but he told us "you must leave on this board, you must enter back on that board" and you can see that people are doing that.
HS: You guys know each other. you had played this game together before. You didn't know she would respond the way she responded? As you said you were naked all through the first show and all through this one.
Sue: But he kept his distance. You don't plan on...I've been stable and married with the same person for 18 years. It just offended me.
HS: Before they were all stars, Richard Hatch and sue Hawk were members of Survivor's original alliance. If not for a memorable plea from Sue, Richard might have never won.
<video clip of Sue's Survivor Borneo snake/rat speech>
Harry: Wow it feels like yesterday. I just want to clear the air of a couple of things. After this happened on the island, you two talked?
Sue: Yeah.
HS: What did you express to Richard that you needed to clear the air?
Sue: That I did not appreciate an intentional move against me with his private area that upset me so much. That it was uncalled for and it bothered me.
Richard: Harry, and I got to say to her, that I didn't appreciate, what from my perspective was her taunting me.
HS: So it takes two to tango. Do you want to apologize?
Rich: Sue and I have worked it out. We see it from 2 different perspectives. It's not about apologizing. I'm so sorry she feels this way. That it's so emotional for her. I do feel for her very, very much.
Harry: It's clear to me, I'm just looking at your body language...you'd rather not be sitting within 6 inches of Rich.
Sue: A lesson is learned. I have to keep my distance from Rich. It's human nature.
Harry: I'm watching last night. I said, she's gonna sue you, sue the show, she's gonna sue CBS.
Sue: I did consider a lawsuit when this first occurred. And I decided I needed to not do something on that move. That's emotionally draining also. CBS and Mark Burnett have been real nice about helping to deal with the situation.
Harry: So the water is not exactly tranquil but there is some peace?
Sue: Ride-able, you can drive a boat on it.
HS: What was also interesting last night was the response of your tribe mates. You got alot of empathy from the women at least initially.
Sue: I didn't watch the show. I don't want to go back there.
HS: So you didn't see Big Tom's dance? This is his reaction from you leaving the show.
Sue: Well I can see that coming from Big Tom.
HS: They're singing the witch is dead.
Sue: Kewl. Tom did that dance all the time for TV. I'm glad to see that he finally got it on. It probably was good for him because it probably gave him a chance to go finish that bottle of whiskey that he'd been getting the shakes over every time he seen it. He loves that stuff. He definitely loves that stuff. It's up on his priority list.
HS: Do you feel you got a lot of support?
Sue: Those people, you don't expect support. You really don't ask for it. Because it's a game. You are on your own.
HS: The second you were gone, it was "how do we move on".
Sue: That is understandable because that is part of the game.
Rich: There's alot at stake in Survivor. While you're playing the game, you ARE playing a game. Sometimes you forget, there are people involved.
HS: That sure came into play last night. You guys are good. Thank you both.