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Old 02-16-2005, 10:22 AM   #46
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Sure hope so because now it looks like the league is going to retract some of its recent offerings:

"The best deal that was on the table is now gone," said Bettman, adding the NHL will revert to its demand for linkage in future negotiations.
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wow after the recent progress i thought no way theyd cancel the season

probably for the best anyway
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i've hit * and 1 on my touchtone phone, how come i can't ask any questions?
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it is a national day of mourning in Canada.

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Old 02-16-2005, 11:33 AM   #50
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Yes, sad day indeed - I`m gutted.

As an aside - anyone know, as a player and an owner, on which side of the debate Mario falls? He`s been awfully quiet throughout this debacle.
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this will tell ya where hockey stands these days...

the only sports story on cnn.com's main page is about lance armostrong... they don't even mention the hockey season being canceled until the bottom of the page.
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when the 2005-2006 season begins, if a deal is not in place yet and replacement players are brought in... look for a mass breaking of rank amongst the NHLPA.
Either that, or they'll all play in Sweden. Yeah, that's the ticket.

The international leagues are good, but most of the players who would break ranks probably wouldn't like playing under international rules.
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this will tell ya where hockey stands these days...

the only sports story on cnn.com's main page is about lance armostrong... they don't even mention the hockey season being canceled until the bottom of the page.
Actually it was up on the right hand corner on CNN.com along with other "breaking news" items this afternoon. I checked, out of curiosity, too. But seeing how an Ashley Olsen story is up there this evening, I'm not going to pay too much attention to them.

But that's the U.S. - hockey has never been "huge" there. Here it's the no. 1 news item EVERYWHERE (even edging out, in many places, the same-sex marriage debate which was introduced into Parliament today)
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Stunning events today for NHL fans.

I would have liked to see the players vote on a previous offer from the league to see what the players really think, not what Goodenow says they think.

I don't understand how the player's can put their faith in Goodenow again after spending the last 7 plus months ( I call it 7 because the last agreement ended when the Cup was awarded to the Lightning last year in my mind) vehemently and unequivocally stating no to a salary cap. Then at the eleventh hour, he changes his position on the key element. Now he states that the bargaining will start fresh under new circumstances so can we expect the same thing all over again.
This does not make me feel optimistic.

The issues really don't matter because at the end of the day, the players have to capitulate to the owners. Very few of the NHL owners if any, or any professional team owner, depends on the team as a main source of income. It is a toy for them to play with and show off. It is a status symbol for rich rich people. The players cannot afford to hold out indefinitely since every day they miss is hurting the professional game of hockey and many people are losing interest. The revenues they are fighting over right now may become a moot point as attendance and TV ratings drop sharply in the future leading to further drops in player salary. Of course,they must play hockey to earn their main source of income.

The true victims of this are the concession workers, parking attendants, bar owners and workers, hot dog vendors, souvenir vendors, the guys who make the hockey sticks, pucks, and countless others who earn a week to week living from the NHL. Of course, the fans are victims too.

The scary thing is that it took baseball ten years to recover from 1994 debacle and baseball was much more healthy than hockey and more popular. The NHL has a bleak future ahead of itself.

Worst case scenario, replacement players in 2006. NHL becomes a feeder league to European leagues because most of the players will bolt for the work. Best case , drop the puck this fall under new collective agreement.

Every time Bettman or Goodenow mention the fans, I find it offensive. They do not give a damn about the fans during this battle of millionaires and billionaires. This is about money, not hockey and not fans.

Peace out.
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Weak. Totally weak.
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The true victims of this are the concession workers, parking attendants, bar owners and workers, hot dog vendors, souvenir vendors, the guys who make the hockey sticks, pucks, and countless others who earn a week to week living from the NHL.
There are several bars and stores that are hurting tremendously (some have had to fold I believe) on 17th Avenue in Calgary. That is the main strip leading up to the Saddledome, and what most people now call The Red Mile. Or should I say, used to call...
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excuse me while I go crawl into a hole and cry



*flips on some U2, looks at GA tickets*

.... that eases the pain... but...
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Unbelievable!!! Reports on the news tonight are saying that a deal may *already* be in place and they may have agreed to a $45m cap in the end. Even if this is false, meeting up tomorrow is definitely a good start. And to answer my question above, I guess my Mario is now going to get involved:

Game on?

Friday, February 18, 2005 Updated at 11:01 PM EST

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The NHL season may be brought back to life after all.

Believe it or not, labour talks will resume Saturday in New York and this time Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux will be involved.

"Late Thursday night the NHL requested a meeting with NHLPA representatives in New York," the NHL Players' Association said in a statement Friday night. "Today the NHLPA accepted the invitation and a meeting has been scheduled for Saturday."

New Jersey Devils CEO and GM Lou Lamoriello was relieved to hear the news.

"I've said all along that the most important thing is coming to an agreement," Lamoriello said Friday night from his New Jersey office. "Even after the season was cancelled it was just so important to get together as soon as possible.

"And I commend both of them for agreeing to do it. And now, get it done."

The NHLPA strongly denied a Hockey News report Friday night that a deal was already in place in principle that includes a $45-million (U.S.) salary cap.

"The report is absolutely false," an NHLPA spokesman said late Friday night.

Sources confirmed Gretzky, the managing partner of the Phoenix Coyotes, and Lemieux, the Pittsburgh Penguins player/owner, would join the talks, as well the normal crew of negotiators, including commissioner Gary Bettman, NHL executive vice-president Bill Daly and NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow and senior director Ted Saskin.

"I can only hope that both sides realize they owe to the game to allow common sense to prevail," veteran agent Don Meehan of Newport Sports said Friday night from his Mississauga office.

At this point, nothing would surprise anyone given the ups and downs of this five-month lockout.

"If they're talking, that's great," Lightning star Brad Richards said Friday from Tampa. "It's been such a roller-coaster ride, I don't even know what to say. You just never know, anything is possible."

There have been rumblings of reviving talks ever since Bettman cancelled the season Wednesday with players, owners and GMs burning up the phone lines and wondering how it had come to this.

"I think both sides took a step back the next day and realized 'we were that close,"' Calgary Flames superstar Jarome Iginla said Friday night from Edmonton. "And I think both sides realized that for the big hit hockey would take, maybe we needed to take another crack at it."

Talks ended Tuesday night after the NHLPA rejected the league's final offer of a $42.5-million salary cap. The NHLPA's last offer featured a salary cap of $49 million, leaving the two sides $6.5 million apart in their salary cap offers.

"I'm not surprised they're meeting again because once the philosophical obstacles were eliminated it appeared that the majority of owners and players wanted an agreement," agent J.P. Barry of IMG said Friday night from Calgary. "I think you're witnessing the wills of the majority in action. Hopefully a fair compromise is still achievable at this stage."

Privately, some players, GMs and owners all agreed $45 million was the magic number to get a deal done. But neither side picked up the phone in the last 12 hours leading up to the cancellation.

"I was really upset with the way it ended," said Iginla. "It's hard to believe that after all the back and forth, linkage, no linkage, all that stuff, that only a few million kept both sides apart.

"And I understand that a few million is a lot of money but in the grand scheme of things, in a $2.1-billion business and getting everyone past their principals, I would love for this to get done."

Plans have been in place for teams to play a 28-game regular season starting March 1 and there's still time for that to happen if both sides can reach a deal this weekend.

But there's no guarantee of a deal getting done.

"To get (talks) started again and still not do it, that would be a travesty," Iginla said, adding with a laugh, "I'm a young man but this is taking its toll."
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The NHL officially has gone to the dogs, at least in the television ratings.

The USA network's coverage this week of the Westminster Kennel Club show outdrew the rating the Stanley Cup Finals generated last spring.

The two nights of dog-show coverage were seen in an average of 2.91 percent of the nation's homes with a TV, according to Nielsen Media Research. In comparison, the Stanley Cup Finals (two games on ESPN, five on ABC) generated a 2.2 rating.
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I'm tired of hearing on the news and elsewhere that Americans don't care about hockey. So? I don't care if the Americans care about hockey. I don't like basketball or football so why should they like hockey? Does the NHL really need to be popular in the U.S. to survive? Methinks not (and neither does Don Cherry).

Can the NHL survive if they pull out of markets like Atlanta and Nashville and bring them back to their natural places like Winnipeg or Quebec city?

As an AP columnist wrote:
"Bettman was a dreamer and schemer, a former NBA marketing whiz who never understood that hockey, for all its history and thrills, didn't have the broad passionate U.S. fan base that could justify his vision of manifest destiny.


Hockey is not McDonald's or Starbucks. It didn't need to supersize itself and post franchises all over the map. "

Anyhow, this is just my opinion - not sure if it's viable or not as I don't pretend to know the workings behind the NHL financial machine.

On a lighter note, someone asked Chris Rock (er, no idea why!) about the cancellation of hockey and he replied:

"All of Harlem is in tears," Rock deadpanned. "I remember growing up playing pick-up hockey games. … My dad and I having sticks and pucks. … It was a magical time."
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