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Old 05-24-2005, 07:30 AM   #1
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Star Wars storyline and plot discussion on new and old trilogy conflicts

There have been several mentions of these descrepencies in the new movie thread, but there are so many I wanted to take them to a new thread where we can come up with answers for them or figure them out. I hope some of you have answers for the things that bugged me. Anyone who has one of these questions, or an answer to something, please post.

Last night I was watching Empire, and the "Emperor" they had was certainly not Palpatine. He was very low tech and didn't look or sound like him. But worst of all, what he said to Darth Vader is a huge conflict and blooper as far as tying the story in with the new movie. I hadn't seen Empire in years and I had forgotten. He told Vader that there was a new threat, Luke Skywalker, and that 'the son of Skywalker' must not stop them. He sent Vader to capture him and try to turn him to the dark side. Okay, so I guess that's how Darth found out Luke was his son- the last name, then I guess he 'searched his feelings.' So when Darth confronts him at the end and tells him he is his father, we know that Darth knows that 'the son of Skywalker' is his son, meaning he is Skywalker and of course he knows it. HOWEVER- and this is my problem here- not only was the emperor not the same guy, he obviously was oblivious to the fact that Skywalker and Vader were the same person, and this is a HUGE blunder and blooper as far as tying in with the newest movie
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Uhhhhhhh....... I really don't see an issue here to be honest. They're members of an odd cult, thus they're allowed to talk in a cryptic fashion. Remember, at this stage Anakin Skywalker doesn't exist, only Darth does.

With respect to the Emperor, Ian McDiarmid probably wasn't in the picture at that stage and they just had another guy play him. He only appears for a few moments as a poor quality hologram!!

Chill out, you're completely overanalyzing things!
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Uhhhhhhh....... I really don't see an issue here to be honest. They're members of an odd cult, thus they're allowed to talk in a cyptic fashion. Remember, at this stage Anaking Skywalker doesn't exist, only Darth does.

With respect to the Emperor, Ian McDiarmid probably wasn't in the picture at that stage and they just had another guy play him. He only appears for a few moments as a poor quality hologram!!

Chill out, you're completely overanalyzing things!
Agreed. Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist when Darth Vader emerges.

Obi-Wan even said this.

No issue.

so it's not Ian playing the emperor in Ep V does it really matter?

so Darth Vader claims Luke Skywalker as his son when Anakin doesn't exist. Well, remember the line "there is still good in him" And with the whole Padme issue, here is his link to Padme. Blah Blah

We can analyze it all we want but I don't see a problem.
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In the original Episode 5, a different actor plays the Emperor. In the Special Editions, Lucas went back and redid the scene with Ian McDiarmid.

I've heard Rick McCallum say that the Star Wars films won't be finished until Lucas dies. He will continue to tinker with and add to the movies.
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In the original Episode 5, a different actor plays the Emperor. In the Special Editions, Lucas went back and redid the scene with Ian McDiarmid.

Oh! What version is this? The latest one? I also heard that he changed the ghost of the old Anakin at the end of Jedi to the young Anakin (Christensen) from this new movie, did you see that?
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Okay so y'all aren't bothered by this question, how about the 'real mother' memory thing in Jedi, and her dying in Sith?
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Oh! What version is this? The latest one? I also heard that he changed the ghost of the old Anakin at the end of Jedi to the young Anakin (Christensen) from this new movie, did you see that?
Yes that is true, he did change it. It was in the new re-release dvd package that came out last year.
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Okay so y'all aren't bothered by this question, how about the 'real mother' memory thing in Jedi, and her dying in Sith?
Now that has been bothering me.
In Jedi, Leia says that she remembers her real mom but that she was very young when she died or something like that.
She remembered her being beautiful and sad.
I don't know.
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Oh, cool! What else did they change in the movies?
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Oh! What version is this? The latest one? I also heard that he changed the ghost of the old Anakin at the end of Jedi to the young Anakin (Christensen) from this new movie, did you see that?
That was yet another change to the movie. There are essentially three official released versions of Star Wars - the original theatrical release, the Special Edition release and the DVD release.
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**THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOILER MATERIAL IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM YET**


For me, the biggest discussion regarding this movie are the two surprises that surfaced. I know it was mentioned in the other thread. The website www.thedigitalbits.com talks about them briefly - I have cut and paste it here for all to see.

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When Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis, he says that Plagueis knew the secret of using the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life, that Plagueis taught this power to his apprentice, and that his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Palpatine, of course, was that apprentice, which implies that either Plagueis created Anakin before Palpatine killed him... or Palpatine created Anakin himself. It rings true as the obvious payoff to both the midi-chlorian concept and Anakin not having had a father (from Episode I). On the other hand, Palpatine was lying about Plagueis knowing how to save people from death - simply playing on Anakin's fears about Padme. The second bit of information, is when Yoda reveals to Obi-Wan that Qui-Gon learned how to retain his consciousness after death, and that Qui-Gon will teach both Yoda and Obi-Wan this secret during their years of exile on Dagobah and Tatooine. In the film's shooting script, there was actually a brief conversation between spirit Qui-Gon and Yoda, but the scene was later cut. You just see the tail end of it in the film now - Yoda appears to be meditating when Bail Organa comes into say that Obi-Wan has made contact (en-route from Mustafar). I hope Lucas shot the whole scene, because I'd love to see it on the DVD release.

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To think that the Emperor himself might be Anakin's father was, to me, the biggest shocker I got from all this. What does everyone else think?
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I think Palpatine was just messing with Anakin.
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that's quite an interesting theory... sounds about right too.

Now that all the movies are out, I wish Mr. Lucas would release a book or something that answers ALL the questions of the story, and basically just lays everything out from beginning to end.
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Well if it is true that Palpatine is Anakin's father,
then that would play a part in why Anakin turned
to the dark side rather easily, it was in his blood.
Along with the fact that he wanted to save Padme.

Luke was stronger than his father was and couldn't be turned.

What do you think?
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One glitch in the movie:

When Padme goes to the volcano planet to talk to Anakin, she is in that skimpy dress. After he chokes her and knocks her unconscious, she has pants on. Hell?
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