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Old 04-23-2008, 07:26 AM   #1
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st georges Day!

The flag is flying from my castle, is it flying from yours ?

The far right can fuck off, its my flag too.
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I have a nice red rose pinned to my suit today. English and proud!!
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Happy St Georges Day. England.

If only it would be made a national bank holiday.
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English celebrate with flags, food on St. George's Day
By JILL LAWLESS – 7 hours ago

LONDON (AP) — Londoners gathered Wednesday in Trafalgar Square, beneath statues of imperial lions and military heroes, to celebrate England's patron saint — a third-century Turkish soldier who supposedly had the power to slay a dragon but likely never set foot in Britain.

Little wonder the English have an identity crisis.

April 23 is St. George's Day, England's national day. But it's not a public holiday, and for decades it passed largely unnoticed — a far cry from its rowdy Irish counterpart, St. Patrick's Day.

"We tend to be a bit more reserved. It's an English trait," said Janis Whincup, who attended the Trafalgar Square celebrations with a red and white St. George's flag draped over her shoulders.

That may be changing — St. George's Day is experiencing a revival, as is the idea of Englishness itself.

Outside the realm of sport, English patriotism and the St. George flag long were shunned by liberal-minded Britons, regarded as the preserve of right-wing "Little Englanders" steeped in nostalgia and a mistrust of foreigners. Politicians promoted the notion of Britishness — an amalgamated identity open to native and foreign-born citizens, and to English, Welsh and Scottish alike.

But with devolution of political power from London to Scotland and Wales — both of which have gained legislatures and a new assertiveness in the last decade — that British identity has begun to fray.

The English make up 50 million of Britain's 60 million inhabitants, and many feel it's time they celebrated their heritage — if only they can agree on what it is.

"English people aren't proud enough of their own country," said Pamela Ealham, a 75-year-old retiree. "We're English; we should celebrate it."

Politicians have begun to embrace Englishness. For the first time on the saint's day, the St. George's Cross flag flew Wednesday above the 10 Downing St. residence of Prime Minister Gordon Brown — a Scot.

"The prime minister's view is that of course we should celebrate our Britishness," said Brown's spokesman, Michael Ellam. "But celebrating our Britishness does not mean we cannot also celebrate our Englishness, Scottishness, Welshness or Northern Irishness."

There are signs of an unofficial revival, too. Pubs across the country planned celebratory roast beef dinners Wednesday. Party-supply companies reported a sharp rise in sales of red-and-white hats and streamers.

In recent years, sports has played a big part in rehabilitating the symbols of Englishness. When England's rugby team won the World Cup in 2003, and when its cricket squad beat Australia in 2005, jubilant fans waved the flag of St. George, giving it a new visibility.

But the flag remains, especially for immigrants and ethnic minority Britons, a touchy symbol.

There were few flags on display at the officially sanctioned Trafalgar Square celebration, which focused on an aspect of England unlikely to offend anything but the palate: food.

Despite its dire reputation, English food is having something of a renaissance. Stalls lining the square sold pork pies and sausage rolls, blackcurrant jam, Stilton and Leicester cheeses and fresh oysters, crabs and scallops.

A distinctive cuisine unites the people of England. The preservation group English Heritage, which is encouraging people to celebrate St. George's Day, published a "how to" guide including traditional English recipes — from cheese scones to chicken tikka masala, an Anglo-Indian hybrid that rivals fish and chips as the country's most popular dish.

Debate rages about what it means to be English. Is English culture Morris dancing, or Britpop? Are the English an Anglo-Saxon race, or a polyglot nation built on waves of immigration, from Vikings and Normans to Indians, Pakistanis, Jamaicans, Poles and Lithuanians?

Traditional English nationalists tend to be wary of immigration and skeptical of closer ties with Europe. But a new breed of "civic nationalists," including the singer Billy Bragg and the writer Paul Kingsnorth, favor embracing multiculturalism and membership in Europe. In a recent article for the New Statesman, Kingsnorth called it patriotism "attached to place not race, geography not biology."

Peter Tatchell, a gay rights and civil-liberties campaigner, argued that St. George should be adopted as a symbol of "freedom, dissent and multiculturalism."

Little is known for certain about the saint's life, but he is thought to have been a soldier of the Roman Empire from Cappadocia, in present-day Turkey, who was executed after refusing to persecute Christians. The story of him slaying a dragon that was terrorizing a village has been circulating since the Middle Ages. He is the patron saint of several countries — including Germany, Portugal and Georgia, which is named for him — as well as the city of Beirut and the Boy Scout movement.

St. George's popularity spread from the Middle East to Europe with knights returning from the Crusades, and he came to be regarded as a protector of English troops. In 1222 religious leaders in England — which was then Roman Catholic — declared a holiday in his honor, and by the end of the 14th century he was seen as England's patron saint.

"He was a rebel from the Middle East. His father was Turkish and his mother probably Palestinian," Tatchell said. "St. George's parentage embodies multiculturalism and his life expresses the values of English liberalism and dissent."

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a third-century Turkish soldier who supposedly had the power to slay a dragon but likely never set foot in Britain.
England's previous patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr, former king of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom of East Anglia. Edward III had him replaced with St. George in the 14th century, due to his promotion of the knighthood, and St. George's high standing amongst returning English crusaders. And so St. George came to represent the "soldier saint" that represented the chivalrous values that Edward III valued.

St. Edmund's ouster was also due to the politics of the time. England was experiencing the infancy of its unique national identity--one that tried to separate from its "Nordic"-dominated past. England's early medieval history is basically dominated by Germanic Norsemen invaders (Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Norwegians, and Normans). St. Edmund was not only Anglo-Saxon, but he was also highly venerated by the Normans. Edward III, not so coincidentally, enacted statutes to try and get away from Anglo-Norman traditions and to try and reassert the vernacular English language.

Since the emerging "English identity" had no real history to it, if one ignores the previous millennium of successive Nordic invasions, a foreign patron saint was probably their only alternative.

And, not to nitpick, but "Turkey," as both a nation and an ethnic identity, didn't exist until the 15th century or so, as the Asian Turkic peoples invaded the crumbling Greek-dominated Byzantine Empire. He would likely have been ethnically Greek.
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Thanks for the clarification and addendum. I didn't write the article, just posted it to share with any others who may have also questioned what St Georges day was. I did learn a lot though, so thank you all who shared.
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