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Old 01-31-2004, 11:31 PM   #46
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Hi nbcrusader

Can I ask how long you have been on Atkins?
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Old 02-01-2004, 11:09 AM   #47
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Has anyone out there tried the 'zone'?

Diet talk was part of our usual conversation at work last night and a co-worker mentioned that she was doing the zone. She said it is similiar to Atkins but you ate more carbs and when you ate the fatty meat stuff you only ate the leaner cuts (chicken breast instead of thigh)

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Beli, I have been on Atkins since July, and so many things in my life have improved. Probably the best change is my ride to work - I have a 1/2 hour commute, and even if I had 10 hours of sleep the night before, I was always VERY drowsy on my way to school, probably because of the sugar crash that was happening after my huge bowl of Frosted Mini Wheats I feel very even all day now, as in the morning, and now also in the afternoon, I don't get that crash at 1-2pm where I think I'll keel over if I don't get a nap. About once a month a take a day off, and for all the things I've been wanting (like pizza or a donut), I'll have it on that day, so I'm not completely depriving myself of anything (just practicing severely delayed gratification ). Usually, I am cursing myself halfway through the day when my head is pounding and my GI tract feels like it will explode. Hasn't gotten me to give up the cheat days, but I do feel bad when I do it

I don't see how it is unhealthy to minimize your intake of refined sugars, trans-fats, and preservatives, and increase your vegetable intake (lots o' fiber there BTW). I was skeptical of Atkins for a long time too, 'til I decided to actually sit down and read the book and see the whole picture Dr. Atkins was trying to portray, and not just taking bits and pieces from the media. Yes, it was incredibly hard to go cold turkey on my cereal and bread and pasta that I loved so much, but when I realized that 90% of diet was those things, I knew that wasn't healthy either. I am now back to eating bread and cereal and pasta, I just have the low carb versions which have lots of fiber and protein and are a very decent substitute. I think some of the sugar-free chocolates taste better than real chocolate, and they won't rot my teeth to boot!
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Re: So it's OK to eat LOTS of carbs again????

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High-carb diet works: Study
Participants had loads of carbohydrates and reduced fat intake

Flies in the face of Atkins' low-carb craze; some expert
It's bullshit. You have studies that are looking for a desirable result. All these low carb companies and their special interests are mad at the Atkins craze, so they'll do anything to discredit it.

Science favors the Atkins diet, overall. If you want to fatten pigs, for instance, you don't give them meat or fat. You give them corn. Carbohydrates are broken down through insulin, and insulin prevents weight loss. Too many carbohydrates mean too much insulin meaning the possible development of Type II diabetes.

I'd ignore this study.

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I've been on a sort of diet these past few weeks.

But I realized after having some pasta the other day for the first time... that I seem to need carbs in order to feel awake, alert, and clear-headed... without some kind of carb source, I have a slight headache and tiredness... is that how it's supposed to be?
If you just start a high protein, low carb diet, there is a transition period where your body switches from being reliant on sugar to protein. It is to be expected.

If you can make it past the discomfort, it goes away in about a week.

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I don't want to give up baklava.
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I agree with everything the lovely ms. loveslave said. I was incredibly skeptic of Atkins for years, also thinking it was incredibly unhealthy. However, I finally read the book about a month ago, and it just made sense so I decided to give it a try.

I have been following the strict induction phase for 13 days now. I was following pretty much to the letter, until my 'ok i'll just have a glass of wine' turned into me drinking a bottle last night I won't be doing that again soon. But I digress...the first two days were hard as I was adjusting. I just felt pretty blah. On the third day, I felt like a new person. My energy levels are incredibly high right now...it's like having the jolt from a coffee but having that feeling last all day. I really miss my cereal and yogurt right now (and my ice cream and beer), but this feeling can't be beat (plus I am six pounds lighter!). I'm sure I'll have the occassional cheat again, but I've heard horrors stories about them (like Beth mentioned) so I know I'll really make it count then

Just my two cents...
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Well, while I can certainly see the benefits of reducing your refined carbs, and I don't even mind getting rid of pasta for the most part, I REFUSE to give up fruit.

Oh, and Beth, I read somewhere that chocolate is very good for your teeth.
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I would never go on Atkins. Walk into any top ranked University, go up to their Biochemistry Department and I believe 10 times out of 10, you will be told it is simply not a great idea.

The reason you feel sluggish without Carbs is that your brain feeds on carbs exclusively.

You also need to keep in mind that if you eliminate the majority of carbs from your diet, your body will switch to process protein and fat. However, the very first glass of fruit juice or piece of fruit or anything sugary you have - BAM! your body goes back to preferentially using carbs as a food source. Immediately. You cannot make the change permanent, so if you want to eat fat and protein exclusively, you need to do it for the rest of your life.

It's a good way to lose weight, but it is not a reasonable way to maintain a balanced diet.

People in the rest of the world (outside the West) seem to by and large realize the nutritional value of things like soy, flax, fish, and foods rich in omega-3,6 and 9 fatty acids. Our solution to the problem is to stock up on fat and meat to lose a few quick pounds. It absolutely boggles the mind.

Not to mention, that you may be losing weight and feeling great, but if all the studies on heart disease and cancer have not convinced you that a balanced diet is necessary, then it's kind of a lost cause. We are dying for no reason except our unwillingness to implement major changes to the way we live our lives.
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I I really miss my cereal and yogurt right now (and my ice cream and beer),
Low carb beer...I've seen in the stores but haven't bought it.

It's out there if you want to find it.
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I don't see how it is unhealthy to minimize your intake of refined sugars, trans-fats, and preservatives, and increase your vegetable intake (lots o' fiber there BTW).
I agree with you completely on this point. In fact that one sentence is probably the key to most peoples weight loss. And yes, cutting out those things will give people a headache intially as they detox. And maintaining insulin levels to a constant is also highly desirable.

What I dont agree with is the ratios - the increase in permittable fats.
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Low carb beer...I've seen in the stores but haven't bought it.

It's out there if you want to find it.
Yep, I know it's out there, and I don't like it. I like my beers to be very dark and strong...I can't even handle light beer. So, I'm screwed
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the people on this diet lost weight because they cut out refined sugars and ate whole wheat pastas and bread. Most people would loose weight if they cut out candy, soda, white bread, and other refined sugars. I think that's the probably the healthiest diet, too much of anything is bad for you (carbs or protein/fat).
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I would never go on Atkins. Walk into any top ranked University, go up to their Biochemistry Department and I believe 10 times out of 10, you will be told it is simply not a great idea.
Agreed. Actually I work for a 'limestone' University and I guess live quite a sheltered life. We do get queries about Atkins but I never imagined people were so passionate about it. This has been quite an eye opener. Im still trying to get my head around it.

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Not to mention, that you may be losing weight and feeling great, but if all the studies on heart disease and cancer have not convinced you that a balanced diet is necessary, then it's kind of a lost cause. We are dying for no reason except our unwillingness to implement major changes to the way we live our lives. [/B]
Agreed. Anitram you have a way with words. Yes, there have been many many clinical trials/studies to prove what you have mentioned. In fact I maintain a clinical trials database at work and most of the non chemical/mechanical intervention trials are exactly that - effects of increasing fish consumption, effects of walking up the stairs, etc. I dont recall any trials on increasing fat consumption. I could check today but I dont think people who are into Atkins are into listening to scientific data, or they would read what is already available.
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People in the rest of the world (outside the West) seem to by and large realize the nutritional value of things like soy, flax, fish, and foods rich in omega-3,6 and 9 fatty acids.
All of these foods are high in protein, though, with the exception of the fatty acids, which are present in the protein heavy foods.

I tend to think that the Atkins diet would actually quite like all of the above, better than red meat. The media, of course, obsesses over the meat and crude fat that Americans crave, as a whole.

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