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Old 12-12-2017, 05:43 PM   #201
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I haven't listened since then cos I was away on a leadership and personal development camp I volunteer on for a week.
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You probably wouldn't have listened to it again anyway.

I'm at four listens, at least two of which are because I hang out here, and I don't know why I should give it any more just because it's U2. It's not that I hate it, which would at least motivate some hate-rating; it's just so bland that I don't care.

And I'm probably the one you're thinking of mikal: someone who's a modern U2 "hater" but doesn't dislike Crazy Tonight. I've said recently it shouldn't be lumped with Unknown Caller, Boots, and Comedy as one of the shit mid-NLOTH songs.
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As much as I appreciated your review, the album doesn't require analysis beyond the running diary format, honestly. It's another big clusterfuck from U2 with a lot of clunky lyrics, disappointing guitar work, strange tracklisting choices and a few great highlights to give fans hope for the future. Same set of issues as SOI.
This is pretty disingenuous. I don't agree with a lot of the choices they made, but this isn't an album made on auto-pilot. The issues, as I pointed out in said review, are not all the same as with SOI. The songs aren't the same. They sound different. From the last album's and from each other. They are certainly worthy of consideration and analysis like anything else by extremely talented artists. Especially on a forum devoted to their music.
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This is pretty disingenuous. I don't agree with a lot of the choices they made, but this isn't an album made on auto-pilot. The issues, as I pointed out in said review, are not all the same as with SOI. The songs aren't the same. They sound different. From the last album's and from each other. They are certainly worthy of consideration and analysis like anything else by extremely talented artists. Especially on a forum devoted to their music.


the "this is unquestionably shit from start to finish" posts are just as irritating as the "this is obviously a masterpiece from start to finish" posts.
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i just noticed that the header at the top of the page has been changed to now read "interference" and not "U2 interference"
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Shuttlecock XX - Laz Is All You Have Left

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Love Is All We Have Left is a perfect summation of the album overall. A different sound from their usual oeuvre, Edge nowhere to be found, Bono in fine voice and vocal melody, a lyrical clunker in 'a baby cries on a doorstep' that is as awkward to type as listen to, pleasant but with very little lasting impression musically. The highs cancel out the lows and neither of them stand out enough to get passionate about.
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i just noticed that the header at the top of the page has been changed to now read "interference" and not "U2 interference"
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This is pretty disingenuous. I don't agree with a lot of the choices they made, but this isn't an album made on auto-pilot. The issues, as I pointed out in said review, are not all the same as with SOI. The songs aren't the same. They sound different. From the last album's and from each other. They are certainly worthy of consideration and analysis like anything else by extremely talented artists. Especially on a forum devoted to their music.
It's not disingenuous. I've been posting here for 13 years and after a couple of failed albums in a row (in my opinion, which is educated not only by 16 years of U2 fandom but 26 years of ingesting music), I'm exhausted by the repeated mistakes. In fact, I'll go one step further and say that U2 no longer has interest in making music that I like. Our tastes have fundamentally diverged. It's not the fault of their producers, circumstances or even their desire to be liked; they hear Get out of Your Own Way blasting out of their studio monitors and think to themselves "Wow, this is so great, let's show this one to the world!" The successes are feeling increasingly accidental.

But, of course, my running diary was followed by a few paragraphs of in-depth analysis on the album and I've gone further into my thoughts countless times since. But would I rather be talking about their earlier, better work? Probably. As it stands, it's the discussion on tap and I like talking with you guys. As with Axver, I probably wouldn't have gone back for another listen if this weren't a U2 record. Alas, it happens with many bands I love. I've only heard Collapse Into Now once. I maybe heard that Dismemberment Plan reunion album twice.
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that's a good point as well. if it wasn't U2 i also wouldn't have listened to this more than once. as it stands i've given the album a handful of listens, just like the last few, and feel like i'm moving on from it rather quickly, just like the last few. i maintain though that it's definitely better than i expected it to be.
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Ahhh man, I like Collapse Into Now.
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Yeah, I was fully ready to co-sign with Travis until he said that. Collapse Into Now has a few proper keepers, it's the one post-Monster REM album that has elicited a modest degree of interest from me.
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It's weird because I enjoyed Accelerate a lot and even listened to it again a few months ago, but Collapse Into Now gave me this "oh that was nice but whatever" vibe and nothing stood out in a way that a few of the Accelerate highlights did.

I'm sure I'd still like it if I went back to it. The only bad REM album is Around the Sun, for my money.
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Seriously, New Adventures In Hi-Fi, Up and Reveal are pretty great albums, the middle one being my favourite R.E.M. album, but then again they are probably my favourite band too.

Yeah, Around The Sun is the "oops overstretched it there a bit" album, but in the years since and the band kinda disowned it, I've grown to like most of the songs especially the REM Live in Dublin versions from 2005. Their last two were good to great records and had moments that were up there with the 'golden age' - Living Well is the Best Revenge, ÜBerlin, It Happened Today while Supernatural Superserious is the kinda dumb but fun pop song U2 want to but can't seem to write, a song where verse and chorus are not sellopated together.
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I always forget New Adventures was after Monster, rather than before it. I think I don't rate it as much as most fans though. And from thereafter, I think the only song that would make my REM top thirty, were I to try to compose one, would be Discoverer.
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As much as I appreciated your review, the album doesn't require analysis beyond the running diary format, honestly. It's another big clusterfuck from U2 with a lot of clunky lyrics, disappointing guitar work, strange tracklisting choices and a few great highlights to give fans hope for the future. Same set of issues as SOI.
I'm not down on the album, but I see the general sentiment here. It's hard to have a strong opinion about this album either way; it's pleasant and inoffensive, simply meandering rather than bad in its weaker spots and interesting rather than great in its better spots. I think you are either going to identify with Bono's parental emotionalism or you're not, and that's about the end of it in terms of the album's replay value.
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I prefer Innocence to Experience. At least that one had The Troubles and Sleep Like a Baby. Only Little Things really comes close to them here.
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I would tend to agree with Peef here.

I’d also add that I really enjoy the vibe of Love is All and I think Book of Your Heart is fantastic and should be on the album proper.
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I prefer Innocence to Experience. At least that one had The Troubles and Sleep Like a Baby.
Agreed with this part.
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I sure haven’t. I wish it would come in the mail so I can finally hear the album.
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