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Old 02-21-2002, 06:16 PM   #1
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russian's leaving?

i have just heard a queit but disturbing rumor that the some or all perhaps(i really don't know) of the russian contingent wants to 'leave' the olympics altogether.

has anyone heard about this?
i was told by a friend who is an intern at the sports department of a toronto paper-she didn't know anything else either.
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Old 02-21-2002, 06:24 PM   #2
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wow. I hadn't heard that, but if they do...boo on them. Honestly, that's about the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.
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wow. I hadn't heard that, but if they do...boo on them. Honestly, that's about the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.
i know i'm trying to find some reference to it anywhere but it doesn't seem to be out there.
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found it.

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Russia considers withdrawing
By Gennady Fyodorov

SOLDIER HOLLOW, Utah, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Russia's team at the Winter Olympics is considering pulling out of the Games after they withdrew their cross-country relay team on Thursday following ``abnormal'' blood tests,'' the team spokesman said.

``It has been discussed with Moscow,'' Gennady Shvets told Reuters. ``This was the last straw.''

Shvets said discussions were still going on with International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge and the team is due to hold a news conference imminently at 2200 GMT.

Russia has had a disappointing Games and was upset by the furore over the judging of the pairs figure skating competition last week. A Russian pair won the gold but after a protest the Canadians, who had come second, were awarded duplicate golds.

Favourites Russia and Ukraine pulled out of the women's 4x5 km cross-country relay on Thursday after three athletes showed up ``abnormalities'' in blood tests.

IOC sources said the athletes, two from Russia and one from Ukraine, have undergone urine tests but no results are yet known.

Russia said one of their athletes involved was five-time gold medallist Larisa Lazutina. The team immediately launched a protest because it said it had been unable to replace Lazutina in time for the race which was won by Germany.

Vitali Smirnov, a Russian vice-president of the International Olympic Committee, said the out of competition test showed Lazutina's red blood cell count was above the level permitted by the international skiing federation, FIS.

Smirnov said the team filed an official protest because the team was not informed quickly enough to name a replacement.

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``We had a sure gold medal and it was just taken away,'' he told reporters. Smirnov said he had talked to IOC president Jacques Rogge about the situation and the team would hold a news conference at 2300 GMT.

An unnaturally high red blood cell level can be a sign of the use of artificial blood-boosting drugs such as EPO.

Russia, winners of the event at the last four Games, had been hot favourites to take the race which got underway with only 13 of the 15 teams. Norway won the silver and Switzerland the bronze.

In 1999, Marco Pantani was disqualified from the Tour of Italy while leading the race after blood tests showed he had a haematocrit (red blood cell) level above the 50 percent limit allowed in cycling.

EPO, a quick shot-in-the-arm which replaces expensive high altitude training, can boost the red blood cells which carry oxygen to the muscles but it is very dangerous because it can thicken the blood and leave athletes open to cardiac arrest.

Lazutina, 36, came to the Games hoping to beat the women's record for the most Winter Olympic golds, six. She won silver in the combined pursuit.

On Wednesday, Russia expressed anger at a blood test carried out on biathlon team captain, Pavel Rostovtsev, before his opening race in the 20 kms, when he finished sixth.

Team officials said testers had taken far too much blood from Rostovtsev, destroying his chances of a medal.

``We are now talking to the IOC chiefs so we can stop this and protect our team from future provocations,'' Viktor Mamatov, Russia's chief de mission, said on Wednesday.

Under FIS regulations, the maximum tolerated haemoglobin values are 16.0 grams per decilitre for women and 17.5 for men.

If an athlete exceeds this level, another test is taken at the testing area and he or she is not allowed to start.

``Other haematological parameters will be measured at the same time as haemoglobin. If abnormal these results can lead to anti-doping controls (via urine),'' FIS regulations state.
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Old 02-21-2002, 06:33 PM   #5
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oh here we go, trusty old reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/news_article....ctype=olympics

i don't know, based on a quick read of this one story from a wire source the russian reasoning looks pretty weak.


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By Gennady Fyodorov

SOLDIER HOLLOW, Utah (Reuters) - Russia's team at the Winter Olympics is considering pulling out of the Games after they withdrew their cross-country relay team following "abnormal" blood tests," the team spokesman said.

"It has been discussed with Moscow," Gennady Shvets told Reuters. "This was the last straw."

Shvets said discussions were still going on with International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge and the team is due to hold a news conference imminently at 2200 GMT.

Russia has had a disappointing Games and was upset by the furore over the judging of the pairs figure skating competition last week. A Russian pair won the gold but after a protest the Canadians, who had come second, were awarded duplicate golds.

Favourites Russia and Ukraine pulled out of the women's 4x5 km cross-country relay on Thursday after three athletes showed up "abnormalities" in blood tests.

IOC sources said the athletes, two from Russia and one from Ukraine, have undergone urine tests but no results are yet known.

Russia said one of their athletes involved was five-time gold medallist Larisa Lazutina. The team immediately launched a protest because it said it had been unable to replace Lazutina in time for the race which was won by Germany.

Vitali Smirnov, a Russian vice-president of the International Olympic Committee, said the out of competition test showed Lazutina's red blood cell count was above the level permitted by the international skiing federation, FIS.

Smirnov said the team filed an official protest because the team was not informed quickly enough to name a replacement.

TAKEN AWAY

"We had a sure gold medal and it was just taken away," he told reporters. Smirnov said he had talked to IOC president Jacques Rogge about the situation and the team would hold a news conference at 2300 GMT.

An unnaturally high red blood cell level can be a sign of the use of artificial blood-boosting drugs such as EPO.

Russia, winners of the event at the last four Games, had been hot favourites to take the race which got underway with only 13 of the 15 teams. Norway won the silver and Switzerland the bronze.

In 1999, Marco Pantani was disqualified from the Tour of Italy while leading the race after blood tests showed he had a haematocrit (red blood cell) level above the 50 percent limit allowed in cycling.

EPO, a quick shot-in-the-arm which replaces expensive high altitude training, can boost the red blood cells which carry oxygen to the muscles but it is very dangerous because it can thicken the blood and leave athletes open to cardiac arrest.

Lazutina, 36, came to the Games hoping to beat the women's record for the most Winter Olympic golds, six. She won silver in the combined pursuit.

On Wednesday, Russia expressed anger at a blood test carried out on biathlon team captain, Pavel Rostovtsev, before his opening race in the 20 kms, when he finished sixth.

Team officials said testers had taken far too much blood from Rostovtsev, destroying his chances of a medal.

"We are now talking to the IOC chiefs so we can stop this and protect our team from future provocations," Viktor Mamatov, Russia's chief de mission, said on Wednesday.

Under FIS regulations, the maximum tolerated haemoglobin values are 16.0 grams per decilitre for women and 17.5 for men.

If an athlete exceeds this level, another test is taken at the testing area and he or she is not allowed to start.

"Other haematological parameters will be measured at the same time as haemoglobin. If abnormal these results can lead to anti-doping controls (via urine)," FIS regulations state.
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Old 02-21-2002, 06:34 PM   #6
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ya beat me
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I believe that the Russian nordic combined team left earlier this week after the ski jumping competition since they had such a poor showing....they should have at least finished with the cross country portion......
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Old 02-21-2002, 06:44 PM   #8
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hehe. Sorry, kobesan..seems my hunting/copying/pasting skills outdid yours this time around. Perhaps you could cry foul and threaten to leave interference as a result!

Seriously tho, it would be a shame if this happens. Not only would it be unfair to the Russian athletes that have worked so hard to make it to the Games, but also to the entire country watching back home. Not to mention how it screams "poor sportsmanship" in big bold letters to the rest of the universe.
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Old 02-21-2002, 06:49 PM   #9
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hehe. Sorry, kobesan..seems my hunting/copying/pasting skills outdid yours this time around. Perhaps you could cry foul and threaten to leave interference as a result!
elvis has been informed and the kobayashi formal complaints(KFC) commission will be arriving at interferenceland soon to launch just that, a formal complaint.
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hahaha KFC commision, guess we know what you'll be eating whilst investigating the complaints
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Old 02-21-2002, 07:04 PM   #11
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elvis has been informed and the kobayashi formal complaints(KFC) commission will be arriving at interferenceland soon to launch just that, a formal complaint.
Yes, well just let it go down on record that the judge in question said "I was pressured into voting for sulawesigirl" and "I voted for sulawesigirl in my good conscience". She appears to change her story daily, so I think your KFC doesn't stand a chance.
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Yes, well just let it go down on record that the judge in question said "I was pressured into voting for sulawesigirl" and "I voted for sulawesigirl in my good conscience". She appears to change her story daily, so I think your KFC doesn't stand a chance.
noted. you're going down sula. they're is a snipers scope trained on you right now. KFC has connections in far off places, even minnesota.

on another note they just showed the russian presser during the intermission of canada-us women's hockey and they are threatening to withdraw as of tommorow if the sale-pelletier investigation is not reopened and some ref who is at the slc games for mens hockey isn't investigated for corruption in the american's miracle on ice victory in 1980. pretty large allegations that they have not in any way backed up but they want these investigations carried out over night or else they say, they are gone
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on another note they just showed the russian presser during the intermission of canada-us women's hockey and they are threatening to withdraw as of tommorow if the sale-pelletier investigation is not reopened and some ref who is at the slc games for mens hockey isn't investigated for corruption in the american's miracle on ice victory in 1980. pretty large allegations that they have not in any way backed up but they want these investigations carried out over night or else they say, they are gone
Yeah, they claim that the Sale/Pelletier gold medal is "insulting" to the Russian people. Gimme a break.

And what's up with the ref in that hockey game? Jeez.
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so the Russian hockey players are going to leave and go... oh wait, go back to their North American NHL hockey teams

this is so stupid, Russia is doing nothing but embarrassing themselves with all of this nonsense
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wanderer i don't know if you're seeing this women's hockey gold medal game but the american referee(how could they be so stupid as to put in an american ref) has called 8 penalties in a row on canada!

that is unheard of.
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