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Old 11-15-2003, 09:34 PM   #46
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World Cups are won in defence, not attack.
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you all should have been around a couple of weeks earlier, when I was talking to myself

I don't think there was a lot between the two teams yesterday

other than the fact NZ gave away a lot of silly penalties within kicking range

and Flatley doesn't miss much

maybe if Muliana hadn't dropped the ball within the first ten minutes (great tackle by Tuqiri to put him off though) and MacDonald hadn't missed his first two penalty attempts the scoreline might be different

but that's that

I bet every Aussie rugby fan must be grinning from ear to ear at this victory though
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Yes the referee sucked, too, but All Blacks sucked goats - SIGH. Ka mate ka mate indeed. I might shave my head now. I invested so much emotion into that game
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I can imagine when they get "home" they will replay that run of Mortlocks a few times....forwards , backwards, forwards..it was a bottler
I haven't seen/heard any news today, I wonder how Darwin is?
I have mixed feelings about tonight...maybe the last time to watch Frederic..maybe not.
Wallabies v. France please.
I was in Brisbane last week the night after the Wales v. England game. You could just feel the atmosphere, so many supporters in town. It was neat
I might go along to the local outdoor big screen viewing of the grand final next week...although I'd much rather watch the kids play local soccer
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...ia/3274531.stm

Injured Darwin to miss final

Australia prop Ben Darwin is out of the Rugby World Cup final and could require neck surgery after being stretchered off during Saturday's semi-final win over New Zealand.
Darwin lost all feeling in his arms and legs for several minutes after a scrum buckled 10 minutes into the second half.

He was taken to hospital and underwent X-rays and an MRI scan which showed a disc in his neck bulging and touching on the spinal cord.

"If it doesn't settle down of its own accord it will require surgery," said Wallabies doctor Martin Raftery.

Darwin credited All Blacks prop Kees Meeuws with helping to prevent further injury.

"I heard a crack and immediately called out 'neck, neck, neck' and to his credit Kees stopped pushing, which was fortunate because I lost feeling in my body and he could have really crashed me into the ground," said Darwin.

"When I was on the ground, I had no feeling from my neck down for about two minutes.

"It was terrifying but the medical staff did a great job of getting me into the right position and then I felt pins and needles in my arms and legs, which was a great relief.

"I'll be in hospital for a couple of days at least while they monitor my condition but the doctors are happy with my progress so far.

"I desperately want to be able to sit with the team on the bench and cheer the boys on in the final."

Australia had several other injury concerns after the 22-10 win over the All Blacks.

Second rower Nathan Sharpe (knee), hooker Brendan Cannon (shoulder), skipper George Gregan (leg) and centre Stirling Mortlock (leg) should all be fit for the final.
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Thanks yertle.

hmmm Freddy baby, what happened mate?
ahh well, he gets my good-looking award

so next week....Australia v. Wilkinson
I wish some of that rain would move up here.
Go the Wobbleys ( that's what my son called them when he was little...the Wobbleys)
I heard last night 1.7 million people have attended the games. Good fun.
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Hrmph. I knew I should not have backed the darn Boks. Ah well, go England
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Old 11-17-2003, 10:23 PM   #53
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go England!

talking pt:

should drop goals be worth two or three points? are the likes of Wilko and de Beer 'killing' the game?
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amusing article for your perusal:

from the Times Online

'Are you Norwich in disguise?'
From Ashling O'Connor in Sydney



The week-long build up to the rugby World Cup final has barely begun and already the Australians are sick of hearing the England supporters' anthem, Swing Low Sweet Chariot.

Booming renditions of the song officially adopted by Twickenham in the 1991 tournament can be heard all over Sydney from pockets of fans walking around the city in white shirts and boisterous mood.

It is not the spontaneous outbursts of support for the hated opposition in their own backyard that seem to be annoying the locals but the fact that few English fans know more than the four-line chorus.

The repetitive strains, sung after every one of Jonny Wilkinson's successful kicks against France and also during the weekend's other semi-final, are grating on Australian nerves. "Enough already. England weren't even playing on Saturday night and you couldn't go ten minutes without hearing a rendition," the Sydney Morning Herald complained yesterday.

The spontaneous outbreaks of Swing Low during the game between the Wallabies and the All Blacks were jeered and booed by the Australian and New Zealand supporters. Just what has English rugby got to do with an American spiritual song, they have been asking? It is a legitimate question that not even English rugby fans can really answer.

Some say it emerged from the Twickenham terraces during a match between England and Ireland in 1988 when Chris Oti, the Nigerian-born England wing, scored three tries in the second half. Others argue it simply caught on because it had a simple melody and rude gestures to accompany the lyrics.

Either way, Harry Thacker Burleigh's 19th-century gospel tune has stuck, much to the chagrin of the Australian public. Well, the chorus at least. In a sing-along before Sunday's semi-final, the English crowd was strangely silent as an entertainer dressed as the Queen started the first verse of "I looked over Jordan and what did I see, Comin' for to carry me home, A band of angels comin' after me, Comin' for to carry me home."

Now that Australians have revealed just how much Swing Low gets to them, they can expect to be bombarded with it more than ever. Meanwhile, England fans are working on other ways to needle their rivals. On the train journey back from Olympic Park on Sunday night, a group of Londoners discovered that to chant "Are you Norwich (City) in disguise?" at anyone in a Wallabies shirt worked a treat.* To suggest the colour was canary yellow rather than gold was of even greater annoyance.

Australia has no established singing culture in sport, a serious issue not to be trivialised with verse. But sports-goers have become more accustomed to terrace-style chants since cricket's Barmy Army started coming to Australia to follow the Ashes tours. Where once they merely accepted the cries of "Get Your S**t Stars Off Our Flag", Australian cricket fans now have their own juicy ripostes at the ready. One of the most popular being trotted out for the rugby is "You can stuff your f***ing chariot up your arse!" (To the tune of She'll Be Coming Round the Mountain).

Swing Low may be repetitive but it is not just England that has a monopoly on irritating anthems. Even Australians themselves have been questioning the adoption by rugby fans of Waltzing Matilda.

The song is based on Banjo Paterson's 19th-century poem about a hobo shoving a stolen sheep into a sack and drowning himself in a billabong before he could be arrested. "Should we really be promoting vagrancy and violence to sheep?" asked one reader of a Sydney newspaper.

The England supporters have responded in typically sophisticated fashion by bastardising the lyrics to "I Shagged Maltida ... and so did all my friends."

In the days leading up to the biggest game in international rugby for four years, the vocal war will continue apace. It is all good-natured banter. But if England win, Australians will find no aural reprieve from Swing Low and are bound to have a total sense of humour failure.


*As an Ipswich Town fan I find this bit (and the title) absolutely hilarious.
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Brilliant! Thanks turtle
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35-13, it's all over now!
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Old 11-20-2003, 05:42 AM   #57
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Holah goes over, 40-13. Carter's stepping up...drags it wide.

Never a try for Brad Thorn though, as Chris Handy and Gordon Bray keep reminding me, but I don't think it matters too much.
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sweet chariot coming to carry me home...carrying the ball perhaps? and for some reason i always thought it had something to do with 'chariots' of fire.
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well brettig,

are you Norwich in disguise?
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swiiiing looooow
sweeeet chariiioooooot

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