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Old 05-28-2003, 02:09 AM   #61
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so cujo, if you had to pick one goalie in their prime to win a big game, would you pick hasek, or roy?
No comment. I'm a biased prick.

PS- I agree, that the measuring stick for any goaltender is in his ability to perform at the all-star game. Therefore, since Dominik Hasek is the only goalie to ever score in the "Goalie Scoring" competition... he's the best ever. I mean, look at the talent.

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Roy played for a good team just about every year... and I think that AvsGirl can concede that Colorado has been just as good as Detroit the past few seasons (lest we forget Roy surrendered 7 goals in a game 7 performance, which is clutch if you ask me )...
Game 7 was bizarre and ugly. It's sad, if Roy stuck it out for another season I think he could erase everyone's memory of that, but now he won't.

We have had an amazing group of players. I honestly think we should have won at least one more Cup than we did. I don't think we could have repeated--2002 was Hasek's year, the way 2001 was Bourques, but this season the Cup was up for grabs and we fell pathetically short.

There's been too many trades and the pieces have just never fit together again. Roy just didn't have it in him to carry the team for a second season in a row--he did it in 2002 and I think it was too much to ask *any* goalie for a repeat. It was time for the team to carry Roy and they just couldn't do it.
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I just shortened it... if I took anything out of context, I would have put a wink in there. Plus, that's what you said... the early days were when Hockey was honest... my mental faculties are unable to come up with an alternate meaning to what you said.

The gloves are off, and I'm gonna jersey both you're asses ... don't take anything I say too seriously. I tend to take goaltending debates a little personally... looks like I'm not the only one either.

Yes, it is out of context. I was referring to the fact that they gave Hextall the Conn Smythe even though the Flyers didn't win the Cup. I was also saying that they award the Conn Smythe to the best player in the playoffs (as they should), and not simply the MVP of the regular season.
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fine, then lets not use the term "best." i agree that roy has had the best career of any goalie. but i think hasek is the most talented goalie ever.
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Goodbye AvsGirl!! I'll miss you
You hold your own.

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Chizip:

That's debatable, too, but now you have some leverage at least.
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tell me, why did cujo head off to detroit
Same reason pretty much... except cujo didn't even have a defense. Just look at how well Belfour faired in his playoff appearance with the Leafs. During cujo's tenure, the Leafs never lost in the first round... so go figure.

PS- Michael, you're taking me out of context... the point I was making was that it was rather suspicious that Joe didn't win the Smythe, seeing as he won it in 1996 (the last time Col won the Cup) and he got tons of hardware at the 2001 NHL awards (especially the Lester B. Pearson... which is voted on by the players). They just gave it to Roy... a sympathy vote.
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You hold your own.

But I haven't left yet, this place truly is the blue crack.
I know, believe me. I think I truly have an addiction. I need to break free!!! Help me!!! Please!!! Somebody!!! Really. I need to get out more. Thanks again, AG.
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A parting shot.

I suspect Roy is trying to steal some of Giguere's thunder and that's why he's making his announcement early. Yes, I'm being spiteful.
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PS- Michael, you're taking me out of context... the point I was making was that it was rather suspicious that Joe didn't win the Smythe, seeing as he won it in 1996 (the last time Col won the Cup) and he got tons of hardware at the 2001 NHL awards (especially the Lester B. Pearson... which is voted on by the players). They just gave it to Roy... a sympathy vote.
I don't know. I think Roy deserved to win the Smythe based on his performance in the finals.
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A parting shot.
Is that the message board equivalent to aiming for the five hole?
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Sheesh U2 hockey fans are dirty fighters.

Next time I come in here, I'm wearing a cup.

As for best/most talented goalie ever... I could never make that estimation. There's simply too many factors to consider, like the strength of their team, the strength of competition, length of season/playoffs, and the rule changes (mainly equipment size and net width). So, my opinion is moot (or is it mute? )
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I don't know. I think Roy deserved to win the Smythe based on his performance in the finals.
I'm going to quibble your fine points... the Conn Smythe goes to the PLAYOFF MVP, not the Finals MVP. So, it's based on consistent performance... which is why I thought Joe was the logical choice.
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Is that the message board equivalent to aiming for the five hole?


Yeah and on message boards, I actually get one in once and awhile.
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I'm going to quibble your fine points... the Vezina goes to the PLAYOFF MVP, not the Finals MVP.
I thought the Vezina trophy was a regular season award (I'm also quibbling your fine points )
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