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Old 05-28-2003, 01:53 AM   #46
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Gretzky won 8 straight Hart Trophies in the 80s, but only 2 Conn Smythes. That's when hockey was honest though.
Thank you for proving my point... about the corruptness of the Hockey Writer's Association.
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Haseks last 3 years in Buffalo

1.87 .937
2.21 .919 (was injured and only played half the season)
2.11 .921

if those numbers are suffering id like to have a goalie that suffers like that
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The lone chick in this thread must go now.

I worry about leaving you boys alone, I know the sorts of things you get up to late at night. Especially when the debates get so...heated...

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If Roy played for Detroit his entire career, they would have probably won *every* year...but why bother with such speculation?
Roy played for a good team just about every year... and I think that AvsGirl can concede that Colorado has been just as good as Detroit the past few seasons (lest we forget Roy surrendered 7 goals in a game 7 performance, which is clutch if you ask me )...
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I'd take the Vezinas... it's a measure of consistency against your peers. That trophy represents individual accomplishments, and since you are talking about individual accolades... a goalie with a plethora of Vezinas, or Jennings trophies to a lesser degree, would most logically have performed better.

PS- Why don't you tell us who votes on the Conn Smythe Mike?
You'd take vezinas over the ultimate goal? The ultimate individual accomplishment (as well as team accomplishment) is to win the Stanley Cup. So you were saying?

PS: the Professional Hockey Writer's Ass. votes on the Conn Smythe
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Thank you for proving my point... about the corruptness of the Hockey Writer's Association.
I don't like it when people edit my posts to say something different than what was said in the first place.
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stanley cups are won by teams, not goalies, it is not an individual accomplishment (i mean even osgood won one )

vezina is an individual award given to the best goalie in the league. (who may be on a team of losers who arent good enough to win a stanley cup, how can you hold it against the goalie if he gives up 1 goal a night and his team gets 0)
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Haseks last 3 years in Buffalo

1.87 .937
2.21 .919 (was injured and only played half the season)
2.11 .921

if those numbers are suffering id like to have a goalie that suffers like that
Well if he wasn't suffering, why did he leave Buffalo? Surely even an impotent scoring machine such as the sabres can muster more than 2.11 goals/game... check that stat out why don't you... And while you're at it, how about Martin Biron's stats... maybe even go back to the days of Dwayne Rolosson

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I was being caustic... I was trying to get you to admit who voted for the trophy. How honest those guys are.
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The lone chick in this thread must go now.

I worry about leaving you boys alone, I know the sorts of things you get up to late at night. Especially when the debates get so...heated...

Goodbye AvsGirl!! I'll miss you
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he left because he wanted the best chance to win a cup, like ray borque, is there something wrong in that?
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I don't like it when people edit my posts to say something different than what was said in the first place.
I just shortened it... if I took anything out of context, I would have put a wink in there. Plus, that's what you said... the early days were when Hockey was honest... my mental faculties are unable to come up with an alternate meaning to what you said.

The gloves are off, and I'm gonna jersey both you're asses ... don't take anything I say too seriously. I tend to take goaltending debates a little personally... looks like I'm not the only one either.

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so cujo, if you had to pick one goalie in their prime to win a big game, would you pick hasek, or roy?
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stanley cups are won by teams, not goalies, it is not an individual accomplishment (i mean even osgood won one )

vezina is an individual award given to the best goalie in the league. (who may be on a team of losers who arent good enough to win a stanley cup, how can you hold it against the goalie if he gives up 1 goal a night and his team gets 0)
Then clearly we disagree on the overall philosophy behind "best" players. I believe the best players are also the best team players in that they show their greatness through team wins. Sure you can have talented losers...some made careers out of that *cough Marcel Dionn cough*, but in Patrick Roy's case, he was a Vezina finalist pretty much every year anyway. Add to that his 3 Vezinas and his 4 Cups and his 3 Conn Smythes, I really don't think 6 Vezinas would ever hold water to it.

Patrick Roy was fantastic one on one. Did you ever watch him on the skills competition at the all star games? He's win pretty much every year. So the talent issue is really a mute point.
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he left because he wanted the best chance to win a cup, like ray borque, is there something wrong in that?
Nothing.

Nothing at all.
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tell me, why did cujo head off to detroit
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