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Old 05-28-2003, 12:46 AM   #16
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i'd go with hasek, he was just unlucky to be with some bad teams, yet still was spectacular

he was the best goalie of all time
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I thought that was Giguere?

I would go with Roy. He could carry whole teams if neccessary.
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well besides Giguere obviously

Was it not necessary to carry his team this year? He let in a couple softies in games 6 and 7, the last goal of his season, and possibly his career was pretty bad.
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That's debatable. Remember a guy by the name of Terry Sawchuk? Jacque Plante was no slouch either. Grant Fuhr was darn right scary during the 80s. But for my money, it's Patrick Roy. He was better than Ken Dryden, imo. Did you watch Roy in his first few seasons? Back when his equipment was tiny (and everyone's equipment was tiny for that matter)? Remember that playoff game, Canadiens vs. the Bruins in 91? He made like 70 saves for the victory. It was unreal. 4 OT's or something. The things he pulled off when he was in Montreal were *unreal*. I used to watch him every week 'cause it was so entertaining (Habs games were played on the French channel every Saturday). Here you had this greesy haired kid, looked like the guy at the 711 or something, just making everyone (guys like Gretzky included) look horrible. He was one of those guys who wouldn't just make the 1st save or even the 2nd, but the 3rd and the 4th as well. He was a bit of a freak.
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and Hasek wasn't a freak? some of the saves he made convinced me he doesnt have a spine

if i had to pick one goalie to win a game for me, i would definitely pick hasek in his prime over roy in his prime
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I didn't say Hasek wasn't a freak either...it's just that I have much more confidence in Roy than I did Hasek. Just my opinion of course. If you look at their careers, I would take Roy's career over Hasek's *any* day.
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I remember in the '87 Canada Cup, Gretz and the boys just lit Hasek up. I mean *lit*. But there again, having Lemieux and Gretzky and Coffey in their primes playing on the same line would have been quite intimidating, so not too surprising considering.
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well roy has more wins and crap because hasek didnt join the league until his late 20's, then played on some piss poor Buffalo teams, yet still almost managed to win a Cup all by himself.

Then when he did go to a good team he won a Cup easily. I think if Hasek played as long and for the same teams Roy did he would have put up better numbers.

I have nothing to base this on obviously, but it is fun to speculate.
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Hasek wasnt even in the NHL than.

Hasek carried the Czech's to a gold medal in the 98 Olympics, he was amazing then.
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No one can deny Roy's prominence, even if you don't count the wins: He won 4 Stanley Cups on two different teams, and he's done something no one else--player or goalie--ever has: he's won 3 Conn Smythe trophies as playoff MVP. Gretzky and Lemieux only won 2 a piece. That's pretty remarkable.
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well besides Giguere obviously

Was it not necessary to carry his team this year? He let in a couple softies in games 6 and 7, the last goal of his season, and possibly his career was pretty bad.
This season, the team broke down as a whole in the playoffs. We had no third and fourth line and our top forwards were useless when we needed them the most. No matter how amazing a goalie is, you need a few goals here and there and solid play from all your lines. The Avs didn't have that--they didn't have it last season either, but Roy carried them as far as he could. Eventually, even the best goalie is going to crack when he has no one in front.

The only Frenchman to blame for our early playoff exit was Lacroix. This is going to be a scary off-season as he tries to "rebuild" and Denver finally sees what a dink this guy is. This has been coming for two years and Lacroix wouldn't accept it.
You'll see a repeat next season when Sakic and Blake go and oops, Lacroix has traded away the remaining young talent for a new goalie. Bye bye Avs.
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it helps when you have great teams in front of you. like i said, if hasek was playing with the same teams he would have done the same, if not better.
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Hasek wasnt even in the NHL than.
Yes, but why do you think that was? Besides, he was still playing professionally, and the fact remains he got obsenely lit by Canada in the Canada Cup.
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it helps when you have great teams in front of you. like i said, if hasek was playing with the same teams he would have done the same, if not better.
Did you actually ever watch the Montreal Canadiens of the late 80s and early 90s? Do you think they were "great"??? lol The only reason they won those Cups was because of Roy. Did you even see the finals in '93?
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right after hasek joined the laegue he won 5 out of 6 vezina's, with one going to jim carey. this was behind a piss poor team too. how many did roy have in that time, 0.
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