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Old 10-23-2003, 06:28 PM   #16
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nolan ryan is a bit overrated

i mean hebarely had over a .500 record

i know he played on some bad teams, but if you are such a dominant pitcher you should still have a better winning percentage than that

yeah he had a ton of strike outs, and he's famous for all his no hitters, but he definitely wouldnt be my first choice to pitch a must win game
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Old 10-23-2003, 11:53 PM   #17
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id take gibson for a must win game. check out his world series stats
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Old 10-24-2003, 01:21 PM   #18
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of course i put a met first... but come on... it's seaver

ryan was dominant at times, but like chiz said... barely eclipsed .500 for his career. great pitcher, probably top 10 based on numbers alone, but highly over-rated based on how many people consider him #1 all time
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Old 10-26-2003, 03:53 PM   #19
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I'm a Yankees fan, but I didn 't really warm up to Roger Clemens until recently.
When he walked off the mound in game 4 and got the standing O from the Marlins fans, I thought "enjoy your two rings, Roger, you earned them."
And how much of a moron is Dan Duquette for letting him leave the Red Sox???
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Dan Duquette was an idiot.

That was awesome of the Marlins fans to give Roger a standing O. The fans at Fenway did the same when he pitched his last regular season game there. Even though most of us hate him, we still respect the fact that he's one of the best pitchers ever.
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Roger owes Duquette big Time. He was rapidly on the decline until he decided to prove something to Dan and the world. Dan gave him the motivation. The numbers show that he was coasting for his last years in the sox uniform. Duquette did the right thing based ont he numbers....although the idiot should have traded him and got something for him.

My 2 cents.

And I still believe Roger ASked out of the 86 series....
And I still believe he intentionally self destructed in the playoffs against oakland....
And I still believe he threw the bat at Piazza.....

I do not like him...will not miss him.....


One of my favorite moments as a sox fan however was watching him pitch against Nolan Ryan. Ryan threw some chin music at Ellis Burks and oh boy....hehe...it was a fun day at Fenway.....I think greenwell didn;t collide with Burks that day. LOL
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.hehe...it was a fun day at Fenway.....I think greenwell didn't collide with Burks that day. LOL
Those days were few and far between back then.

Regardless of whether Clemens' resurgance was due to an F.U. Dan motivation, Duquette was still an idiot for how he handled Roger and a few other players.
One great move ...Lowe and Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb (Mariners fans love that one), and many poor moves, no people skills whatsoever.
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it's official...
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Texas is the only place big enough to contain his ego
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so much for retirement
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Shouldn't he play for the Rockets instead?
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Hmmm... All-star pitcher pitching to all-star catcher, Mike Piazza.


Wow! doubtful but what IF??????????
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George is probably FURIOUS right now...
...which makes me want to laugh my butt off!
That's what Steinbrenner gets for not making Andy Pettitte's re-signing a priority, IMHO.
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roger just better home that piazza doesn't have any friends who are national league pitchers...
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