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Old 10-01-2007, 05:02 PM   #76
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Your right it is a 500 member voting jury. I was wrong about that, but it is a much smaller nominating jury (made up for the most part of Jann Wenner's former employees, associates, etc.) that nominates who this 500 member jury votes on.

And, I didn't have time to find a source to quote on the Dave Clark Five incident when I originally posted about it - but I knew I had read it somewhere.

Further, Progressive rock was a very viable type of music back in the 1970's. Genesis, Yes, Rush, ELP, Jethro Tull sold tons of records back then and still have an influence on popular, high volume selling modern bands like Tool.

And its not just Prog but many hard rock bands too.

Also, Jann Wenner said something along the lines that Rush would never get into the rock and roll hall of fame on his watch because they give him a headache! I can't find a source for that right now because I am at work. You'll just have to trust me.

So, we'll just have to agree to disagree!
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Your right it is a 500 member voting jury. I was wrong about that, but it is a much smaller nominating jury (made up for the most part of Jann Wenner's former employees, associates, etc.) that nominates who this 500 member jury votes on.
I understand, all I'm saying is I haven't seen any true evidence that all just Wenner's fault, like you've suggested.


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Further, Progressive rock was a very viable type of music back in the 1970's. Genesis, Yes, Rush, ELP, Jethro Tull sold tons of records back then and still have an influence on popular, high volume selling modern bands like Tool.

And its not just Prog but many hard rock bands too.
That's a short lived time period, given other genres. Just like I don't expect any Electronica bands making it in 2020 even though it was a very viable genre in the 90's.

I can't really think of many hard rock bands that haven't been inducted that deserve it...


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Also, Jann Wenner said something along the lines that Rush would never get into the rock and roll hall of fame on his watch because they give him a headache! I can't find a source for that right now because I am at work. You'll just have to trust me.

Um, yeah, that's not really how it works... Don't get me wrong, I don't think you are totally making it up, I just like sources before conspiracy theories.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:25 PM   #78
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I can't wait until 2018.

Pablo Honey = 1993.

1993 + 25 = 2018.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:28 PM   #79
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John Mellencamp DEFINITELY deserves to be in the Rock and Roll HOF! Your ignorance of the man is really showing. I strongly suggest you look up his career.
Says you, but that's why a Music HOF is like communism: a terrific idea enacted horribly.

Laz, watch Bon Jovi get in as first balloter HOFers in a few years.
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Watch me blow my brains out afterwards.

Or the Hall of Fame itself.

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^ Fair enough. I can't find a source for the Rush quote. I've just read about it for years on various Rush Forums and music forums. Maybe Wenner never said it.

And Progressive Rock was popular from about 1969-1977 (approximately) so it wasn't that short of a time period. Incidentally, there are still many progressive rock bands (and not the old ones either) - Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Pure Reason Revolution, Dream theater, Spock's Beard, the Flower Kings and many many more.

The argument has been and can be made that Radiohead and Muse, Coheed and Cambria, Mars Volta are also Prog Rock. Prog is just more underground and not on the radio, written about etc. But it still exists.

Hard Rock - Kiss and Alice Cooper come to mind, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Deep Purple (not a fan of any of these, but you get my drift)

Maybe its not Jann Wenner, but something is wrong when Disco, rap, R&B acts get nominated ahead of rock acts and there is some evidence to indicate that this Wenner has had an influence on what artists are nominated and even offered for induction.
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so, we have these NOT in yet:
Genesis, Rush, Yes, Journey, Chicago, Bon Jovi, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Deep Purple... Many of these should qualify without a doubt, whether you like them or not. Maybe they don't make for good "tv" or an "event" if they get nominated. Many of these bands have lasted, and are still going, unlike the Dave Clark Five, who have a few songs that I like, but don't have the longetivity and body of work of ANY of those bands above. They're all still around making music (for the most part).

It would be nice to know what Wenner's requirements are or the parameters he is supposedly setting for qualification into the HOF.
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Don't forget that people like Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel who are without a doubt two of the most influential artists of thier time and both border on prog. Without Kate Bush there would be no Tori Amos, Aimee Mann, Fiona Apple and so on.
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Rush gives Jann Werner a headache?
Then he's clearly not a musician as they're always keen on saying "Rush is a musician's band" ; I've no musical talent but I'm starting to really appreciate them so am disappointed to find they didn't make the list
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I'd like to visit this Hall when I get to America some day. Should be fun.

At any rate while it's nice that a band should get recognition for what is probably a damn good body of work, I really couldn't care less. Loads of bands I like are hardly considered 'famous' enough to be inducted into a 'Hall of Fame', doesn't really affect what I think of them, the same way I think about how so-and-so is famous enough to be in the Hall.

That didn't make any sense, it's six in the morning.
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Don't forget that people like Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel who are without a doubt two of the most influential artists of thier time and both border on prog. Without Kate Bush there would be no Tori Amos, Aimee Mann, Fiona Apple and so on.
I'm not a fan of Kate Bush, so I can't comment on her specifically, but I do agree on Peter Gabriel

I suppose this means bands like Depeche Mode & Duran Duran would be closing in on the 25 year mark very soon as well. Will they be added to our list of non-nominees?
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Madonna's in!!!! I am so excited. I couldn't imagine her not being voted in at some point because she's made such an impact, but strange things do happen.

CLEVELAND - The Material Girl is about to become a Hall of Famer.

The ever-evolving Madonna was announced as a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee on Thursday along with John Mellencamp, The Ventures, Leonard Cohen and The Dave Clark Five.

A panel of 600 industry figures selected the five acts to be inducted at the annual ceremony, to be held March 10 in New York.

"The 2008 inductees are trailblazers — all unique and influential in their genres," Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation President and CEO Joel Peresman said in a statement. "From poetry to pop, these five acts demonstrate the rich diversity of rock and roll itself."

To be eligible, artists must have issued a first single or album at least 25 years before nomination.

Madonna Louise Ciccone signed with Sire Records in 1982 and became one of MTV's first stars two years later with "Like A Virgin." She has constantly altered her image and appearance ever since, showing staying power that few '80s stars could muster.

From rosaries and bare midriffs to cone-shaped bras, Madonna's reinvention of herself has been as prolific as her chart dominance, which included seven No. 1 hits and three No. 1 albums in the '80s alone.

The actress and fashion icon created plenty of controversy along the way, drawing the ire of religious leaders in 2006 for a scene of Madonna on a mirrored cross and wearing a crown of thorns as part of her worldwide "Confessions" tour.

Mellencamp, the Indiana native with the ever-changing name, hit the scene as John Cougar in the early '80s with "Jack and Diane" and "Hurts So Good." He later became John Cougar Mellencamp — and the voice of America's heartland — with hits like "Pink Houses" and "Small Town" before finally settling into his given name, John Mellencamp.

Cohen went from acclaimed poet in Canada to a folk rock icon with "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag" in the late 1960s, making him a big part of the singer-songwriter movement.

The Ventures defined instrumental guitar rock in the '60s with surfer anthems like "Walk Don't Run" and "Hawaii Five-O," and The Dave Clark Five were one of the most successful British invasion bands with the iconic "Glad All Over."

The Rock Hall will also honor Little Walter in its sideman category for helping establish the modern blues harmonica on recordings with legends like Muddy Waters and Bo Diddley.

Producers Gamble & Huff will be honored in the non-performer category. Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff's Philadelphia International label, which had artists that included the O'Jays, McFadden & Whitehead, and Lou Rawls, featured powerful rhythm sections with a disco beat.

They won a Grammy for best R&B song on Simply Red's cover of the Blue Notes' "If You Don't Know Me By Now."
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I pray to god Mellencamp omits Our Country from his set at the induction ceremony.

to Madonna and Cohen getting in.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:50 PM   #89
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Congrats to Madonna! She's definitely the most deserving nominee this year. I'm thrilled to see Leonard Cohen in too.
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Has New Order or The Cure even made a nominees list yet? Two hugely influential bands that also had moderate chart success.
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