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Old 09-29-2007, 06:48 PM   #46
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leonard cohen deserves to be in, I don't think anyone else does

however, what about Genesis, I don't get why they haven't been even nominated yet.
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If I got to vote I would vote for Cohen without batting an eye. Madonna has had tremendous influence on female pop singers throughout her career (although personally I think her influence hasn't been particularly good), so I probably would grudgingly vote for her. Mellencamp -- I don't know. He certainly fits the fame aspect, but he has always struck me as a not-as-talented Springsteen wannabe.
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It is ridiculous that not only do they induct every year no matter what, but every year they induct five, most of the time they're other influential musicians that have nothing to do with rock, or just successful junk. This year R.E.M. was certainly the only necessary inductee.
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:53 AM   #49
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Looks to be a good year to induct some overlooked artists from years gone by, like Yes, Genesis, and ELO.
Stevie Ray Vaughan's first year of eligibility.
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It's a shame that in almost all discussion of this year's nominations, the one band actually deserving to get in, The Ventures, is largely overlooked.

And regarding the article in the original post, FFS, The Ventures are not surf rock. They sure influenced the shit out of the genre, but they were not actually surf rock and were inspired by the likes of The Shadows.

Speaking of The Shadows, I do hope they're in the Hall Of Fame as they're only one of the single most influential bands ever.
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Old 09-30-2007, 03:23 AM   #51
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no Sonic Youth or Joy Division

The Smiths are elegible already, aren't they?

but, I understand, I know My Bloody Valentine or Tortoise will never make it
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Journey received a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame back in 2005.

Why haven't they ever gotten nominated for the HOF yet ?? They're long overdue.
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Journey received a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame back in 2005.

Why haven't they ever gotten nominated for the HOF yet ?? They're long overdue.
We're talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame here, not the Cheese Hall of Fame.
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Guess again ... Edge isn't gonna bail you outta this one.
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I'll threaten to set the All Blacks upon you. How about that? I can't say I'd want to get crushed under that rather intimidating forward pack.
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I don't think I've heard any Chic. But I'm not surprised given the name.
Chic are THE best Disco group ever. "Good Times" is a Disco song that most treat as a rock song. You don't have to dance to it, but you're sure as hell going to dig it. Should really have the popularity of Le Freak.

Chic.

But the Rock Hall is flawed because of no Husker Du or Big Star - among other things (a lot mentioned in this thread, like Joy Division).
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I don't like prog rock personally, but feel it should definitely be represented. KISS and Madonna? That's a different story. They seem to be famous more for image than for music.

I can see inducting Chic. They were very influential. They were WAAAY more than a disco act. I think you could say the same for Donna Summer as well.

John Mellencamp should make it someday, even if he doesn't make it this time around. I never saw him as just a second-rate Springsteen.
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Well, if Chic is acceptable because of their influence on dance culture and dance music, why not Madonna? Even if she spotted underground trends early instead of actually revolutionizing anything, I'd still argue that her songs have more depth to them than most pop music.

What the fuck did Michael Jackson do that was so great? You take away the videos and the dancing and I just see easily-digestible r&b for white people. He certainly isn't a great singer either. The actual musical output of Madonna is a hell of a lot better than what Jackson's career produced, even if she doesn't have a single album that's as revered as Thriller--I'd argue that Like a Prayer is just as good if not better.

And while something like writing and singing about sex might not seem like something that important, she certainly broke down barriers in pop music in that area. It's like discounting the impact that Elvis had--a performer that I'll point out wrote a much smaller fraction of his material than Madonna (who at co-wrote almost every song on every album), and aside from a handful of songs didn't play an instrument either.

Madonna's just an easy target because so much of her career was because of her brilliance at promoting herself and changing her image as her tastes evolved. But the testament is on the albums themselves, which represent nearly the peak of what pop music had to offer in every one of those years, save for the last couple releases. She's a first balloter if there ever was one.
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