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Old 12-31-2007, 01:27 PM   #706
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I woke up this morning with a lot of the Sweeney Todd songs stuck in my head.

Good for the movie, bad for my sanity.

I'm curious, Lance, do you think there's any way the Academy awards Depp over DDL this year? Taking into account the unpleasantness of Plainview (while Todd is also a nutcase he's clearly more sympathetic), Depp's lack of an Oscar, DDL's obvious superiority over every living actor, the awards already won by DDL, and the outside chance that Clooney wins the dramatic Golden Globe over DDL (Depp is probably a shoo-in for Comedy/Musical).
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Honestly, I wouldn't be too surprised, since I rarely agree with the Academy anyway. That's not to say I wouldn't be furious.

Let's just imagine DDL didn't deliver the absolute finest performance of his career this year, which is also the finest performance I've seen from any actor in recent memory...I still wouldn't think Depp deserved the award.

He was fine in the role, but if he didn't get recognized for his acting abilities before, I don't think this should be the one to do it (even though that not how I believe these award ceremonies should function, that's DEFINITELY how the Oscars work...it's like they judge the nominees based on their whole careers instead of the performances they're nominated for). I've seen Depp give better performances before.

And even still, should DDL not win, there are at least three other performances I hold in higher regard this year that have a change of being nominated. Mortensen, Pitt, and Hoffman all gave finer performances this year than Depp, so what the hell.

That said, I still think DDL and Depp are the two frontrunners as far as the Oscars are concerned, and I think Depp has a reasonable chance for all the reasons you mentioned.
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Well, Hoffman just won and has no chance. Pitt and Mortensen's film weren't seen enough.

While I know that the Academy has often give career awards as "make-up Oscars", but let's look at a recent history:

Al Pacino wins Best Actor for Scent of a Woman, not even close to his best work, but believe it or not the film was also nommed for Picture, Director, and Screenplay. Next closest competitor, Denzel Washington in Malcolm X, a film that had a mixed reception and didn't get much Academy love (plus, Denzel already had a Supporting Actor Oscar).

Russell Crowe wins for Gladiator: Not even close to his best performance, but film also is nommed for many Oscar (and wins Best Picture). Next closest competitor is more complicated. Javier Bardem was critically lauded, but in a foreign language film--nuff said. Tom Hanks already had TWO Oscars in the bag (even though his work in CastAway was better than either of those winning perfs), and Ed Harris, long appreciated, was in a film that only was recognized for his role and Marcia Gay Harden's. Not hard to see why Crowe wins here.

in 2001, Denzel Washington wins for his minor work in Training Day, over a pretty towering Russell Crowe performance. Why? Because Crowe just won, and they're not going to give him the back to back treatment that Hanks got with Gump. Other competitors are Will Smith in Ali, a not very well-liked film, and an overdue Sean Penn playing retarded in the underperforming I Am Sam. Plus, Denzel plays against type and does a character different from all he has done before, which always impresses.

Now it's Penn's turn. in 2003 his histrionics in Mystic River get him a win over his superior work in 21 Grams, an overexposed Jude Law, a not-quite-important-enough Bill Murray, and the laughable Pirates nom for Depp. Mystic River itself is very respected and gets a shitload of noms, and probably came very close to beating Return of the King (note Eastwood's make-up sweep the next year with Million Dollar Baby).

You would think it's Depp's turn, right? The problem is that Sweeney is not going to get more than a few tech nominations (even Bonham Carter seems a longshot at this point), and the competition is FIERCE this time. It can easily be said that DDL is owed for losing his deserved Gangs of New York Oscar, and his first Oscar win was almost 20 years ago. Plus, DDL's film is likely to get some major Oscar attention (though a BP nom is hard to guarantee). It also hurts Depp that this character isn't very unique for him. It's not a far cry from Edward Scissorhands and Ichabod Crane, and the singing isn't a successful revelation on the level of Nicole Kidman singing in Moulin Rouge, or Catherine Zeta-Jones's hoofing in Chicago.

Also, it's difficult to say that Depp is held in the same regard as the other actors mentioned above. He's done a lot of crap, and it took a while for him to even be taken seriously. The Pirates sequels couldn't have helped his credibility, either.
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Note edit, Lance.
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You make a point point there. Maybe there will be justice this year for a change. Not because they'll recognize the actor that truly deserves the praise, but because all the other circumstances align as well?

God damn shame there's so much politics to these things.
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Depp's lack of a Screen Actor's Guild nom doesn't help either, especially as actors are the largest voting body in the Academy.
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WOAH, I just noticed the Golden Globes didn't even nominate Greenwood's original score for TWBB.

I don't care how they try to spin that one, that's just WRONG.
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WOAH, I just noticed the Golden Globes didn't even nominate Greenwood's original score for TWBB.

I don't care how they try to spin that one, that's just WRONG.
I torrented that last night and have been listening to it non-stop. It's Greenwood's best work, that's for sure.

And I love Bodysong.
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Cagliostro isn't bad, but it's not Ghibli, and lacks the weight and artistry of that studio's work. It is entertaining, I'll give you that.

I have read and seen work from Ponyo, and I'm just hoping it hits the Western world before the end of the year.

Have you ever seen non -Miyazaki, Ghibli production The Cat Returns? I really liked Whisper of the Heart and I know it has characters from that film.
I haven't seen either of those yet, although I have Whisper of the Heart in a DVD boxset waiting to be viewed. The only non-Miyazaki Ghibli's I've seen are Pom Poko (bizarre) and Grave of the Fireflies (made me cry like a little girl).

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Also I'm not sure why you guys are rating Hoffman so highly for an Oscar nod this year. I didn't read one good review for Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium...
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Also I'm not sure why you guys are rating Hoffman so highly for an Oscar nod this year. I didn't read one good review for Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium...
Philip Seymour Hoffman, not Dustin.

And it's a little crazy to find out Dustin Hoffman was almost Deckard in Blade Runner.
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Philip Seymour Hoffman, not Dustin.

And it's a little crazy to find out Dustin Hoffman was almost Deckard in Blade Runner.
Sarcasm FTL.
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I'm hoping that the Academy corrects that oversight. Unfortunately, the musicians branch can often be insular, even to regular film composers. Alexandre Desplat finally was nominated for his first Oscar last year (The Queen), despite turning in these previous scores:

The Painted Veil
Syriana
Birth
The Girl With A Pearl Earring


That being said, Prince and The Beatles won Oscars for their "scores" of Purple Rain and Let It Be, respectively. So you never know.
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Sarcasm FTL.
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Philip Seymour Hoffman, not Dustin.
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