RA D IOHE_AD IN/RAINBOWS" continuing discussion thread part V - Page 48 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Lemonade Stand Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-17-2007, 07:00 PM   #706
Refugee
 
kakvox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,258
Local Time: 03:16 PM
Whisper-like dense rock songs. Not over-the-top. Did I mention the guitars? Abound in guitars, propelling the songs through to their climax and conclusion.
__________________

__________________
kakvox is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 07:16 PM   #707
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Canadiens1131's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,363
Local Time: 04:16 PM
Quote:
Free? Steal It Anyway

Andy Greenberg, 10.16.07, 6:00 AM ET
Forbes.com

Piracy, it seems, is about more than price.

That's one of the surprising discoveries to come out of an experiment by the British band Radiohead last week. On Thursday, the group made its latest album, In Rainbows, available for direct downloading from the Web at an unusual price: whatever fans feel like paying. Downloaders who want to pay nothing can enter "zero" in the site's price field and download the album for free.

But for hard-core music pirates, even free hasn’t been enough of a draw. According to music industry analysts, hundreds of thousands of Web users who frequent copyright-infringing file-sharing sites, including The Pirate Bay and TorrentSpy, have chosen to download In Rainbows illegally, distributing their contraband around the Internet just as they might with any other pirated album.

On the first day that Radiohead's latest became available, around 240,000 users downloaded the album from copyright-infringing peer-to-peer BitTorrent sources, according to Big Champagne, a Los-Angeles-based company that tracks illegal downloading on the Internet. Over the following days, the file was downloaded about 100,000 more times each day—adding up to more than 500,000 total illegal downloads.

That's less than the 1.2 million legitimate online sales of the album reported by the British Web site Gigwise.com. But Eric Garland, Big Champagne's chief executive, says illegal file-sharing is likely to overtake legal downloads in the coming weeks, given that many of those 1.2 million legitimate sales were pre-orders taken during the 10 days between when the band announced the album and its actual release last Thursday.

With popular album releases, illegal download volumes normally outstrip sales, says Garland. But more surprising is that fans chose to steal music they could legally download for any price they choose.

Garland argues that this kind of digital theft is more a matter of habit than of economics. "People don't know Radiohead's site. They do know their favorite BitTorrent site and they use it every day," he says. "It's quite simply easier for folks to get the illegal version than the legal version."

In Garland's experience, the store price of a new album plays little role in determining how often it will be pirated. Similarly irrelevant are the protective locks that recording companies put on files to try to stop pirates from copying and sharing file, so called digital rights management systems.

"Albums that are popular in retail are popular among pirates," Garland says. "In the big picture, if people want something, some will pay, and others will find a way to take it for free."

Despite the hundreds of thousands of illegal downloads, Radiohead's innovative online release could still be a smart fiscal strategy. By cutting out record companies, the band retains the full revenue stream of album sales, and monies from touring and merchandise sales.
__________________

__________________
Canadiens1131 is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 08:18 PM   #708
ONE
love, blood, life
 
AtomicBono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 10,486
Local Time: 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by lazarus
Here's the write-up in the Village Voice--the first couple paragraphs are more about the release method itself and its effect on the legacy of the album, but if you're in the All I Need=transcendent/Videotape=big letdown camp, you're going to agree with the two biggest points. Very well written.

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/07...,78082,22.html
Quote:
Complaining about the bit rate of your free Radiohead album is grounds for immediate execution.
Yes.

I think the review underrated the album a bit (though of course I agree with their analysis of All I Need), but I guess time will tell if it's considered a classic or if it's remembered more for the release methods rather than the music itself.
__________________
AtomicBono is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 08:51 PM   #709
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
intedomine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,949
Local Time: 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Dalton



The power of words is amazing to me. You just erased any credibility you had with one little phrase.

Amazing.
True though, the b-sides from the Bends-era are better than any of the tunes on the album, with the exception of maybe Bones and the title-track.

Hardly a classic, and sounds positively boring when you consider how exciting Kid A, Hail To The Thief, In Rainbows and Ok Computer are.
__________________
intedomine is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 09:16 PM   #710
LMP
Blue Crack Supplier
 
LMP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 37,609
Local Time: 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by intedomine


True though, the b-sides from the Bends-era are better than any of the tunes on the album, with the exception of maybe Bones and the title-track.

Hardly a classic, and sounds positively boring when you consider how exciting Kid A, Hail To The Thief, In Rainbows and Ok Computer are.
Just?
Nice Dream?
Black Star?
Fake Plastic Trees?
__________________
LMP is offline  
Old 10-17-2007, 11:15 PM   #711
Blue Meth Addict
 
u2popmofo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Texas
Posts: 36,961
Local Time: 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by intedomine


True though, the b-sides from the Bends-era are better than any of the tunes on the album, with the exception of maybe Bones and the title-track.

Hardly a classic, and sounds positively boring when you consider how exciting Kid A, Hail To The Thief, In Rainbows and Ok Computer are.


You did this to yourself, that's why it really hurts.
__________________
u2popmofo is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 12:13 AM   #712
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
angelordevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Inside a sound
Posts: 5,827
Local Time: 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Canadiens1160
Reckoner is the best song on the album, for me. I just can't get enough of it.
It's definitely up there for me. It actually starting playing in my head this morning while I was looking for the soap in the shower.

Quote:
Originally posted by LemonMelon
The more I listen to Kid A and In Rainbows, the more crushing it will be for me if they decide not to tour this record.
They WILL tour, or I will be the saddest man on earth. I think the tour would be absolutely amazing. Whether the album is a 'classic' or not, it's definitely a beautiful chunk of art that would blend effortlessly into a setlist of their best songs. I can just imagine the transitions. I have to say, however, I did have a moment today while walking, where I said to myself, "This is the most interesting thing they've ever done." I then heard another voice that said, "You are completely right!" (Okay, I didn't hear the second voice.)

I definitely love it, however, and it's getting better and better with each listen. There's an element to the material, like on All I Need and House of Cards, that's very adult, almost in an uncomfortable/yet challenging kind of way. It's got me wondering if I've got the maturity to match it, because it is so profound. I think great albums ask great questions, so, by that reasoning, that must mean this album is really, really great.

edit: i carnt spelll!
__________________
angelordevil is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 01:25 AM   #713
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
intedomine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,949
Local Time: 06:16 AM
Just? A good tune, but nothing more. Only sounds exceptional because it's next to the utterly ghastly My Iron Lung.

Nice Dream? Pleasent enough but unremarkable

Black Star? Good after the first few listens but then it just grates.

Fake Plastic Trees? A lightweight bore.
__________________
intedomine is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 01:39 AM   #714
Blue Crack Addict
 
Lancemc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ba Sing Se
Posts: 17,665
Local Time: 04:16 PM
Fake Plastic Trees a lightweight bore? Wow, you're really swinging for the fences aren't ya?

You were the one who didn't like Gagging Order either right? Just for clarification.
__________________
Lancemc is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 03:53 AM   #715
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
intedomine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,949
Local Time: 06:16 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Lancemc
Fake Plastic Trees a lightweight bore? Wow, you're really swinging for the fences aren't ya?

You were the one who didn't like Gagging Order either right? Just for clarification.
Yup
__________________
intedomine is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 10:04 AM   #716
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 38,003
Local Time: 12:16 PM
Fake Plastic Trees > everything else
__________________
lazarus is online now  
Old 10-18-2007, 11:30 AM   #717
ONE
love, blood, life
 
AtomicBono's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 10,486
Local Time: 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Lancemc

You were the one who didn't like Gagging Order either right? Just for clarification.
to be fair i didn't see the big deal about Gagging Order 'til I realized what it was about, then it hit me and I listened to it on repeat. so simple and beautiful. thom yorke fucking gets it, thats all i have to say.

also according to last.fm I listened to Radiohead 300 times last week

i still love this album

and to say The Bends is a bad album is lol.
__________________
AtomicBono is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 12:19 PM   #718
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 13,414
Local Time: 09:16 AM
I'd never call The Bends a bad album, but in the scheme of their catalog, it doesn't do much for me either. I know I'm in the minority here, but the only Radiohead album I don't enjoy more than The Bends is, obviously, Pablo Honey.

I'm not saying there aren't great tunes on it. I love Planet Telex, High and Dry, and many others. I just think the album sounds dated. While every other one (Pablo Honey excluded) has aged exceptionally well, The Bends sounds like 1995 to me and I really can't get past it.
__________________
impy13 is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 01:03 PM   #719
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
djerdap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,423
Local Time: 09:16 PM
The Bends rule.
__________________
djerdap is offline  
Old 10-18-2007, 01:12 PM   #720
Blue Crack Addict
 
phanan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: in the darkness on the edge of town
Posts: 25,062
Local Time: 03:16 PM
Amen to that.
__________________

__________________
phanan is online now  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com