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Old 12-02-2007, 01:34 PM   #16
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What was Hackett's deal? Where did he go to, did he continue to write music?

I keep hearing about King Crimson, I'll look into them.
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I keep hearing about King Crimson, I'll look into them.
Get In The Court Of The Crimson King. Title track is genius. Get Red too, for Starless.
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Hackett has a lot of solo material. I should direct hardyharhar to the thread, see if he can offer some info
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Which of the Floyd stuff is "prog"? Please don't say Ummagumma, cause other than the Furry Rodents song, I can't get through anything on that album. Meddle is my favorite album by them, but I never considered it prog.
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I would say Atom Heart Mother is the most prog of all their albums. Ummagumma is more avant garde and experimental than anything.
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Which of the Floyd stuff is "prog"? Please don't say Ummagumma, cause other than the Furry Rodents song, I can't get through anything on that album. Meddle is my favorite album by them, but I never considered it prog.
Most of their albums I'd describe as prog, though I'd distinguish the early stuff as belonging to the psychedelia genre. Animals and WYWH are definitely prog albums.
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Of the classic prog bands, I think Pink Floyd and King Crimson are where it's at. Liamcool can elaborate on the virtues of Crimson; he's more into them than I.

Genesis have totally failed to capture my imagination. Selling England By The Pound is alright, albeit unremarkable.
Firstly: don't download any more than Court and maybe Red at first. A lot of their music is very chaotic and dissonant, and sounds disgusting to non-prog fans. Red has a few of those elements (the ugly guitar in the title track and One More Red Nightmare), but also has more conventional moments (Starless).

Probably the most conventional Crimson album, though, is the highly underrated Islands. Even though most Crimson fans hate it, it has some beautiful songs on it, reasonably short (the longest two are ten minutes, the others are between four and six a piece). However, it's not for beginners due to the fact that this Crimson tends to be either loved or hated.
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Most of their albums I'd describe as prog, though I'd distinguish the early stuff as belonging to the psychedelia genre. Animals and WYWH are definitely prog albums.
Animals and Wish You Were Here? I love those albums, but I don't understand how they're prog. I guess I just don't understand prog, really. What makes something prog? I would think Wish You Were Here was basically bluesy - but with really long blues song. Welcome to the Machine, I guess, fits my definition of prog-ish. But Have a Cigar, WYWH, Shine on - I just call them blues based.

I'll look into King Crimson. I always confuse them with the band that put out the Crimson Idol album - WASP maybe? So I always think of KC as being hair metal. Cool. Thanks for the info.
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I guess I just don't understand prog, really. What makes something prog?
Check out this link: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp

As Axver said, WYWH and Animals definitely are examples of progressive rock (and very fine examples, at that!)
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I would also check out some classic Yes albums, in particular The Yes Album, Fragile, and Close To The Edge. Beautiful albums.
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I'll look into King Crimson. I always confuse them with the band that put out the Crimson Idol album - WASP maybe? So I always think of KC as being hair metal. Cool. Thanks for the info.



(yes, it was WASP)
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So I always think of KC as being hair metal.
You love your hair metal too much!
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Animals and Wish You Were Here? I love those albums, but I don't understand how they're prog.
I'd say they're two of the most prog albums ever made. Animals is ridiculously prog, and you just need to look at the tracklist - a concept album based on George Orwell with three long songs, bookended by a two part song. It's one of those albums where you don't even need to hear a note to know that it's got to be somehow connected to prog.

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I would think Wish You Were Here was basically bluesy - but with really long blues song. Welcome to the Machine, I guess, fits my definition of prog-ish. But Have a Cigar, WYWH, Shine on - I just call them blues based.
SOYCD to me is probably one of Pink Floyd's most ultimately prog songs. A sprawling suite divided into two parts, with all kinds of varied instrumentation and techniques. If I wanted to demonstrate to someone what prog is, SOYCD is definitely one of the songs I would use. Some others - to cover a broad spectrum - would be 21st Century Schizoid Man by King Crimson, The Sky Moves Sideways Phase One and Anesthetize by Porcupine Tree, and The Bright Ambassadors Of Morning by Pure Reason Revolution (bonus points if you get PRR's Floyd reference). And then the two songs that couldn't get more prog if they tried: A Change Of Seasons by Dream Theater and Stranger In Your Soul by Transatlantic (both of which incidentally feature Mike Portnoy on drums).

I often consider prog to be an attitude towards making music rather than an actual sound. For example, Pink Floyd, Yes, Anglagard, Dream Theater, Psychotic Waltz, and Blackfield are all doing incredibly different things with different sounds, and yet they are all prog bands. That's the beauty of prog, really. It's such a broad and expansive genre and I think there really is something for just about anyone - Blackfield even caters for the people who think songs should be no longer than 5 minutes!
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See... I view prog as more complex instrumentation than what is found on SOYCD. It's a gorgeous song but I'm not sure how prog it is. Now something like Siberian Khatru is ridiculously blatantly prog!
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