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Old 03-08-2008, 11:27 PM   #376
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I reckon his location should be "on an Auckland train to Sydney", and his user title changed to "Red Smack Provider".
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:28 PM   #378
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It helps to have live versions as references.

Pop was more an unfinished song thing than a production thing.

SATS, DYFL, WUDM, LNOE are all very good in the studio.
Exactly.
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:31 PM   #383
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It helps to have live versions as references.

Pop was more an unfinished song thing than a production thing.

SATS, DYFL, WUDM, LNOE are all very good in the studio.
Yeah, quoted for truth. Though I have to wonder how badly unfinished it was, and how much of that is revisionist hype in light of the band tweaking it for the live arena. I mean, you could say JT, RAH, and Achtung were similarly unfinished song-wise by the Pop logic. Just look at WUDM. They clearly spent SHITLOADS of time on that. It is easily one of the best produced U2 songs in history, with all of its layers.

Basically, given another six months, do we really think Pop would've been seriously transformed? I don't.
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It helps to have live versions as references.

Pop was more an unfinished song thing than a production thing.

SATS, DYFL, WUDM, LNOE are all very good in the studio.
I've just seen some people on here bashing the shit out of the production on Pop, although it's not hard to find people here to bash the shit out of any aspect of any album

I guess I just don't know what to listen for... what are some bands/albums with exceptional production?

All I tend to notice is if/when it's hard for me to make out a bassline I'm trying to learn.
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I'm going to miss Two Shrub Mountain.

And you're the one who has the power to do something about this. Unilateral moderators:
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Yeah, quoted for truth. Though I have to wonder how badly unfinished it was, and how much of that is revisionist hype in light of the band tweaking it for the live arena. I mean, you could say JT, RAH, and Achtung were similarly unfinished song-wise by the Pop logic. Just look at WUDM. They clearly spent SHITLOADS of time on that. It is easily one of the best produced U2 songs in history, with all of its layers.

Basically, given another six months, do we really think Pop would've been seriously transformed? I don't.
I think you can tell the difference in many cases. Songs like Mysterious Ways were clearly done and then added on to. Then you have songs like UTEOTW that they just fucked up. Then there's Please, which could have definitely been improved over time.
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Yeah, quoted for truth. Though I have to wonder how badly unfinished it was, and how much of that is revisionist hype in light of the band tweaking it for the live arena. I mean, you could say JT, RAH, and Achtung were similarly unfinished song-wise by the Pop logic. Just look at WUDM. They clearly spent SHITLOADS of time on that. It is easily one of the best produced U2 songs in history, with all of its layers.

Basically, given another six months, do we really think Pop would've been seriously transformed? I don't.
I completely agree. It is about finishing a song. Pop just needs better songs and more complete songs. That means give them length and room to breathe. Many of the songs weren't there. That comes down to planning out a group of songs early on to focus on as a long peice. U2 shortens things way too often. Let it breathe.
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I've just seen some people on here bashing the shit out of the production on Pop, although it's not hard to find people here to bash the shit out of any aspect of any album

I guess I just don't know what to listen for... what are some bands/albums with exceptional production?

All I tend to notice is if/when it's hard for me to make out a bassline I'm trying to learn.
I don't know how better production's meant to save the fact that The Playboy Mansion goes nowhere. My biggest production issue is IYWTVD, which is not done justice.

Any Porcupine Tree album is well-produced. Steven Wilson has a good ear and he normally gets in a second person as well. I would suggest Opeth's Blackwater Park, as that was produced by Steven Wilson and it sounds PHENOMENAL, but it's death metal, so ...

Also, all of the recent Split Enz reissues sound AMAZING. Holy shit. Frenzy sounds like a completely new album. Eddie Rayner did an incredible job with that.
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Just look at WUDM. They clearly spent SHITLOADS of time on that. It is easily one of the best produced U2 songs in history, with all of its layers.
I am very curious about how much WUDM may (or may not) have changed since it was first conceived (was it around before the Zooropa sessions?)... I think it would almost have fit on Zooropa, with the samples and all, but thematically it goes much better at the ragged end of the journey that started with AB.
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