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Old 11-14-2004, 03:33 PM   #1
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peyton manning > tom brady

yeah, i said it. whatcha gonna do about it?
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shhh... peyton manning is over-rated. the fact that he's gonna break dan marino's single season touchdown record is not important. please concentrate on his annoying father and funny accent. thank you.
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two super bowl mvp's.

how many does peyton have?

whats peytons winning percentage vs tom's?

you take your stats, i'll take the wins.
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who's had any type of defense?
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I don't ever want to have another dream about Peyton.
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Tom Brady in a hearbeat. Brady has two superbowls, and Peyton has one career playoff win.

The Colts dont have a defense, but Peyton has Marvin Harrison, who even though he's known as one of the best WRs in the game, you can still say hes one of the most under-rated. He's absolutely incredible, he just doesnt bring the media blitz because hes doesnt attract attention like randy and TO. Brady has a bunch of good receivers and no stars, the closest has been Troy Brown. Exactly.

Then theres a RB who takes the biggest pressure of your QB with the play action fake, which Peyton basis his whole game on. Edgerrin James is an incredible back, all-pro, while Brady had Antwoin Smith/Kevin Faulk all those years when they won (not counting Dillon this year).

Both offensive lines are very solid but not up there with the league's best (chiefs, steelers, etc.) Anyway, head to head Brady is undefeated, so it's all about Tom Brady in this matchup.
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The Colts won 2 games in last years' playoffs alone...vs. Denver and KC.

Anyway, Headache mentioning Marino is apropos as Manning will likely not win any titles, and Brady can be compared to Joe Montana, who won 4 Superbowls...Brady has a shot to match that.

So the historical question begs...who would you rather have...Joe Montana or Dan Marino? For me its a no brainer...Montana.
Fast forward to 2004 and ask me do I want Manning and his wonderful stats and zero titles or the "mediocre" Brady and his 2 titles and counting...give me Brady any day.
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the marino vs. montana / manning vs. brady compraison is fair... montana played on much better teams than marino, was very efficient and made a minimal number of mistakes, partly because of him, partly because of the offense the 9ers ran... marino put up sheer numbers, yet the dolphins historicly were a flawed team, never being able to put together a team complete enough to get marino back to the super bowl, thus putting more pressure on marino to be even greater than great, put the team on his shoulders and take them to the promised land... which he couldn't do, because frankly... even great players need help.

substitute brady for montana and manning for marino in that paragraph, and it fits to a T. the only difference is what held marino and manning back... marino never had a quality running game... manning has a running game, and if you look at the stats the run vs. pass ratio is pretty balanced, which makes this season even more amazing... but manning's defense is horrific, despite the fact that they played very well yesterday.

so in conclusion, i will call upon the precedent set forth by supreme court case #136, chamberlain vs. russell. chamberlain was a beast, deffinetly the more talented of the two, and put up mindnumbing offensive numbers... but russell was the ultimate team guy, was steady, consistant, had a better supporting cast, and because he didn't have to do it all, was more comfortable in the clutch, and ended up as the most winningest player in team sport history.

wilt chamberlian = dan marino = peyton manning
bill russell = joe montana = tom brady

which means what? it means that both of them are great players... manning is the better individual player, but it ain't an individual sport, so by default, you have to give the nod to brady, based on the rings.

that said... take anyone from wilt's list and put them on the teams from bill's list, and they're just as successful, if not more so. but they're not on those teams, so thems the breaks. win or shut up. until manning wins a title, brady has to get the edge from me... and that edge is the real edge, i have verified it. twice.
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if i could pick one out of these:

manning with the colts
brady with the pats
brady with the colts
manning with the pats

i would pick manning with the pats as my best option

if i had to pick the colts or the pats

id pick the pats as my best option
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if i could pick one out of these:

manning with the colts
brady with the pats
brady with the colts
manning with the pats

i would pick manning with the pats as my best option

if i had to pick the colts or the pats

id pick the pats as my best option
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it's true though.

what the hell are people talking about defense for? i never said colts > pats. it's a simple QB comparison. i don't care about either's WR's or RB's or what have you.

and wins mean shit all. dan marino never won a superbowl in his life. does that make marino a worse QB than brad johnson, cause johnson won a superbowl?

look at stats. peyton is way better than tom based on stats. fuck superbowl MVP awards. peyton hasn't had a shot in a superbowl because the rest of the team sucks, but that doesn't really diminish his skills.

the patriots are a superior all around team. peyton carries the entire colts organization on his shoulders.

peyton manning is vastly superior to tom brady.
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wins vs stats...
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yes, that's right.

wins are dependent on the full team. the shittiest QB can get loads of wins with an unbreachable defence and a solid o-line that gives him hours to make passes.

then again, the best QB in the world won't get many wins if his o-line keeps letting him get sacked, he doesn't have WR's who can catch, and the defense is a sieve.

my point is that tom brady is more or less dependent on his team. the colts are almost entirely carried by peyton manning (edgerrin james is really his only big-name player).

peyton manning has better stats than tom brady. a higher career QB rating. wins mean nothing when they're so dependent on the team.
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trent dilfer won a super bowl so he is better then peyton too
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Peyton all the way. Brady's face alone makes me ILL. Why doesn't Manning have a SB yet? Could it be the defensive secondary? He's doing his part!
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