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Old 12-16-2004, 06:25 AM   #76
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OK here's the stats first:Categories are Passing Yds, Completion Percentage, Pass TD's, Td-Int ratio, Passer rating and SuperBowl/NFL titles:

Marino: 61,361 ,59.4% , 420 Td, 1.64 ratio, 86.4 rating, 0 titles
Montana: 40, 551, 63.2%, 273 TD, 1.96 ratio, 92.3 rating, 4 titles
Unitas; 40,239, 54.6%, 290 TD, 1.15 ratio, 78.2 rating, 2 titles
Graham: 13,499, 55.7%, 88TD, 0.94 ratio, 78.2 rating 3 titles
Tittle: 28,339, 55.5%, 203TD, 0.92 ratio, 73.6 rating, 0 titles
Starr: 24,718, 57.4%, 152TD, 1.10 ratio, 80.5 rating, 5 titles
Tarkenton: 47,003, 57.0%, 342TD, 1.29 ratio, 80.4 rating, 0 titles
Bradshaw: 27,989, 51.9%, 212TD, 1.01 ratio, 70.9 rating, 4 titles
Staubach: 22,700, 57.0%, 153TD, 1.40 ratio, 73.6 rating, 2 titles
Baugh: 21,886, 56.4%, 187TD, 0.92 ratio, 72.2 rating, 2 titles
Fouts: 43,040, 58.8%, 254TD, 1.05 ratio, 80.2 rating, 0 titles
Kelly: 35,467, 60.1%, 237TD, 1.35 ratio, 84.4 rating, 0 titles
Elway: 51,475, 56.9%, 300TD, 1.33 ratio, 79.9 rating, 2 titles
Favre: 48,806, 61.4%, 369TD, 1.66 ratio, 87.1 rating, 1 title

Now to rank (this'll take a few minutes), I'm gonna rank the first 5 categories on a 14-13-12...-2-1 sliding scale, and award 1 point per title to not handicap the Marino's of the world too much.
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Old 12-16-2004, 06:54 AM   #77
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Marino: 14 + 11 + 14 + 12 + 12 + 0 = 63
Montana: 9 + 14 + 9 + 14 + 14 + 4 = 64
Unitas: 8 + 2 + 10 + 7 + 5.5 + 2 = 34.5
Graham: 1 + 4 + 1 + 3 +5.5 + 3 = 17.5
Tittle: 6 + 3 + 5 + 1.5 + 3.5 + 0 = 19
Starr: 4 + 9 + 2 + 6 + 10 + 5 = 36
Tarkenton: 11 + 7.5 + 12 + 8 + 9 + 0 = 47.5
Bradshaw: 5 + 1 + 6 + 4 + 1 + 4 = 21
Staubach: 3 + 7.5 + 3 + 11 + 3.5 + 2 = 30
Baugh: 2 + 5 + 4 + 1.5 + 2 + 2 = 16.5
Fouts: 10 + 10 + 8 + 5 + 8 + 0 = 41
Kelly: 7 + 12 + 7 + 10 + 11 + 0 = 47
Elway: 13 + 6 + 11 + 9 + 7 + 2 = 48
Favre: 12 + 13 + 13 + 13 + 13 + 1 = 65

So based on this system, your top 14 rankings:
1. Favre
2. Montana
3. Marino
4. Elway
5. Tarkenton
6. Kelly
7. Fouts
8. Starr
9. Unitas
10. Staubach
11. Bradshaw
12. Tittle
13. Graham
14. Baugh
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Now its obvious that recent players scored higher due to the evolution of the passing game, so as a balancing, I'm gonna double the score of the "old timers" and add 50% to the 70's players and re-rank:
1. Starr: 72
2. Tarkenton 71.25
3. Unitas 69
4. Favre 65
5. Montana 64
6. Marino 63
7. Elway 48
8. Kelly 47
9. Staubach 45
10. Fouts 41
11. Tittle 38
12. Graham 35
13. Baugh 33
14. Bradshaw 31.5

I know thats far from scientific, buty its just to give a rough idea. Either way Favre is top 5 for sure, plus his totals will still rise.
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Now its obvious that recent players scored higher due to the evolution of the passing game, so as a balancing, I'm gonna double the score of the "old timers" and add 50% to the 70's players and re-rank:
1. Starr: 72
2. Tarkenton 71.25
3. Unitas 69
4. Favre 65
5. Montana 64
6. Marino 63
7. Elway 48
8. Kelly 47
9. Staubach 45
10. Fouts 41
11. Tittle 38
12. Graham 35
13. Baugh 33
14. Bradshaw 31.5

I know thats far from scientific, buty its just to give a rough idea. Either way Favre is top 5 for sure, plus his totals will still rise.
This is more like it. But I still put Montana ahead of Favre in every cateogory.

Didn't Unitas win 3 titles, 2 in the 50's and SB V (even though Earl Morral played mostly in the game he had played most of the season)
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Didn't Unitas win 3 titles, 2 in the 50's and SB V (even though Earl Morral played mostly in the game he had played most of the season)
Yeah I guess we should credit him, he did start the game and go 3 for 9 with 2 ints before being yanked for Morall with his team trailing, so give him 3 titles.
It won't alter his position in the rankings in either scenario anyway.

At any rate, back to my original point (And I agree I would take Montana over Favre), statistically there's no way you can claim Favre is not even a top 25 QB or a top 12 QB...its pretty clear he'll end up top 5 in most rankings at his retirement.
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I'll give him top 25 because I can't think of 24 others better. We'll see how his legacy is placed after his retirement.

Peyton only got 1 pass last night, still needs one to break the record!
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Favre is NOT superior to Montana and Marino. No chance.
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sometimes throwing off your ass isnt a good idea
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He's now 1 for 2 with 1 int on ass-passes, still leads the league in ass-pass completions and yardage.
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Yes, but his QB rating on ass-passes is only 22.92. (1 for 2, 9 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT)
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Thats still tops in the league, every other QB had a 0.0 rating on ass passes.
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come now... Eli is 1 for 1 for 2 yards on ass-passes for a stellar 69.2 QB rating. take that, bitches.
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There's a difference Headache, when we talk about ass-passes with Brady we're referring to when he's fallen and throws a pass on the football field from the seat of his pants, not the ass-passes Eli makes in the East Village in the bars like the Ramrod and White Swallow.
Its surprising he's only 1 of 2 being so young, rich and with a real purdy mouth.
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