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Old 01-25-2007, 01:38 PM   #46
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Thank you. The Giants went from Parcells to Handley. After getting the ax from the Giants, Handley left the NFL for good.
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Apparently about the offensive coordinator job and the head coaching job...
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Was gonna say, bandwagon Boys fans in the VA area must be obnoxious, that's Skins country. Same when I grew up in NYC...you do not want to be a Boys or Skins or Eagles fan there.
Yeah, they sure are! What happens to Boy bandwagoners in NYC? I hope it's not good!

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Parcells lost it for me when he decided not to fly back with the Pats after losing the Superbowl...and his love for Beldsoe also..I mean WTF?
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what's the difference between being a bandwagon jumper and rooting for a dozen different teams?
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:13 AM   #52
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what's the difference between being a bandwagon jumper and rooting for a dozen different teams?
Depends.

If you are like me and have lived in several different cities in the past few years, AND have the opportunity to work with the local team....is it "bandwagon jumping?"

Deep down, I will always be a Vikings fan (despite growing up five miles from Giants Stadium). That's how I was raised. For two years I had Vikings season tickets. BUT, nothing beat growing up five miles from Giants Stadium during the Parcells years.

After leaving NJ, I moved to Minnesota for 12 years. Even had Vikings season tickets. Then moved to Illinois, then to Pennsylvania (where my company had a contract with the Eagles), and now live in Indianapolis (where my company has a contract with the Colts). When these local teams win, I win in a way.
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what's the difference between being a bandwagon jumper and rooting for a dozen different teams?
I've tried to explain this many times. A bandwagon jumper is someone who changes teams depending on who's winning, then changes again, with no loyalty whatsoever, and usually not much knowledge of the game. If you root for more than one team, it means you have developed an affection for each team for some reason at some time over the years and claim them as 'your' team and want them to win. You do not abandon them when the lose, or switch to a new one. They're still yours, there's just more than one. There are four teams besides the Colts that I 'root' for and want to do well, but the Colts are #1 and I'd root for them over any of the others if it came to it. I have not taken on a 'new' team since you were in diapers, Headache (1981) so I don't think it's fair to call me a 'bandwagoner' for any of them.

And come on, don't you all usually find someone to pull for in the playoffs if your team doesn't make it? Haven't we all done that? It doesn't mean you've betrayed your team or become a bandwagoner. If you guys could meet the bandwagoners I've known, you'd know what I was talking about!

And while I'm on a rant, back to the Ravens being the Browns. Oh sure, they changed the history to the new Browns after the fact, but it's still unfair to Cleveland fans because the new Browns (new puppy with the same name while their old dog with all the memories moved to Baltimore) SUCK and are, like any EXPANSION team, years away from any success. Meanwhile, the Ravens (real Browns) won a Super Bowl not long after moving, with much of the old roster that had been the Browns, so really, Browns fans were cheated out of a Super Bowl that the Baltimore fans now claim (as hypocrites who whine about the Colts moving while they took the real Browns and changed their clothes.) Okay rant over.
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And come on, don't you all usually find someone to pull for in the playoffs if your team doesn't make it?
only for gambling purposes.

i'll like players on different teams, but i have emotional attachment to one team per sport and one team only. to me that's the only way you can go, but to each his own i guess.

i'd go to celtic games when i was in new hampshire, but only for the sake of going to the game... i'd never root for the celtics. as bad as they may be, i'll always be a knicks fan... and a mets fan and a giants fan. i was an islanders fan at one point, but i gave that upon the discovery that hockey is for communists.

i just feel it's much more rewarding when you root for ONE team and one team only... having just one team, even through the lowest lows makes the highest highs all the better, IMO. when you have more than one "favorite team" you can just switch to one of your "other" teams if your team isn't doing well... and that's pretty gangsta in my mind.

my only exception is college basketball, where i stay neutral because i know too many people involved in the sport to root for any one team... i know people at northwestern, villanova, hofstra, columbia, davidson & fordham, and in the past years have known people at hartford, quinnipiac, maryland, wake & yale. so it's next to impossible to have one team, so i don't have one. if i had attened a D1 university, that would be the school... but i was a lowly D3 player, so, yea... no.
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i just feel it's much more rewarding when you root for ONE team and one team only... having just one team, even through the lowest lows makes the highest highs all the better, IMO. when you have more than one "favorite team" you can just switch to one of your "other" teams if your team isn't doing well... and that's pretty gangsta in my mind.


I grew up in New England, and I've been a Patriots fan the whole time, and only a Patriots fan. So yeah, I stuck with them during the Rod Rust and Dick McPherson years when they were lucky to win 2 games in a season. I used to watch all those games and pull for them no matter how bad they sucked.

That's why it's so rewarding for long time Patriots fans to be enjoying this team throughout this decade. We've stuck with them through all of the crap to get to this point. I find it hilarious that people say they are sick of the Patriots winning, when it's really only been that way for five years (with some quick high points in the mid-80's under Raymond Berry and the mid-90's under Parcells). It's not like they have gone as long as the Steelers, Cowboys, or 49ers yet.
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I find it hilarious that people say they are sick of the Patriots winning, when it's really only been that way for five years (with some quick high points in the mid-80's under Raymond Berry and the mid-90's under Parcells). It's not like they have gone as long as the Steelers, Cowboys, or 49ers yet.
Don't forget the mid-late 70's teams(you were probably a bit young I suppose) of Grogan, Hannah, Nelson et al...those were some of the best Pats teams ever in terms of overall roster talent, just some bad breaks (Stabler roughing the passer call) and the inability to stop Earl Campbell probably prevented a Super Bowl appearance or two from 76-79.
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Headache, I have lived in LA for over 9 years now, but still root for my original 4 teams: Islanders, 76'ers, Steelers and the Yankees. However, I will say that for the NFL, growing up in NY did not allow for many opportunities to watch my Steelers, at least not when I was a kid....and so, eventually, I developed an addinity for the Giants...and I still have it....I have Sunday NFL Ticket and I watch every Steeler and Giant game (if they are on at the same itme I alternate) and so, for that one sport, because of allegiances that sprang up in my youth, I root heavily for 2 teams...but, if push comes to shove, if they ever played in the SB, I'd root for the Steelers, though it would be very odd to root against the Giants.

I like the Kotite/Handley 2 trains on the same track comment. Thinking about the Handley era gives me the chills.

Lastly, amen on Parcells.. He screwed the franchise? Whatever, he won them 2 SB's and that's what I remember about his tenure in Jersey.
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Don't forget the mid-late 70's teams(you were probably a bit young I suppose) of Grogan, Hannah, Nelson et al...those were some of the best Pats teams ever in terms of overall roster talent, just some bad breaks (Stabler roughing the passer call) and the inability to stop Earl Campbell probably prevented a Super Bowl appearance or two from 76-79.
Yeah, I was only 6 during the infamous Raiders game, so that part of their history is a bit blurry to me.
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And come on, don't you all usually find someone to pull for in the playoffs if your team doesn't make it? Haven't we all done that?
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No. Take this year for example-I will watch the Superbowl to hopefully see some good football (and the ads) I could give a rat's ass who wins. I am certaintly not going to cheer for the Bears just because I don't like the Colts. I didn't cheer for the Steelers or the Seahwaks last year either.

I lived in DC for six years. I went to almost every Bullets and Capitals game (friend worked for the USair arena...dating myself I know) I went to have soemthing to do and never once betrayed my loyalty to the Celtics and the Bruins (although I am really ashamed to admit it now!!)

I dunno I just could never be loyal to more than one team-too much work I guess
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Now that is motherfucking loyality!
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