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Old 09-18-2007, 02:51 PM   #46
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His Heisman, memoribilia, book deal, his appearance in video games, etc all of this has been or is under seizement in order to pay the judgement. So technically he can't own any of this.
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Here's some new developments ...


Prosecutors File Charges Against O.J.
By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY, Associated Press Writer
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LAS VEGAS - O.J. Simpson was charged Tuesday with seven felonies, including kidnapping, in the alleged armed robbery of sports memorabilia collectors in a casino-hotel room.

The fallen football star was arrested Sunday after a collector reported a group of armed men charged into his hotel room at a casino and took several items Simpson claimed belonged to him.

Simpson was booked on suspicion of assault and robbery with a deadly weapon. Clark County District Attorney David Roger filed those charges and added kidnapping and conspiracy to commit kidnapping, according to court documents.

Simpson, who was accused along with three other men, was also charged with one misdemeanor. He faces the possibility of life in prison if convicted.

He was being held without bail and was scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in the robbery reported at the Palace Station casino.

According to the charges, Simpson and the others went to the room under the pretext of brokering a deal with the men. Once in the room, Simpson prevented one of the collectors from calling 911 on his cell phone "by ripping it out of Bruce Fromong's hand" while one or more accomplices pointed or displayed a handgun, the document says.

The complaint does not specify which of the men involved was carrying the weapon.

Two others named in the complaint, Walter Alexander and Clarence Stewart, have been arrested and released. Authorities were seeking an arrest warrant for a fourth man, Michael McClinton, 49, of Las Vegas, a man police describe as "a key player" in the alleged theft.

"We hope to have him in custody today," said Officer Ramon Denby, a police spokesman. "Hopefully, he'll be cooperative and surrender with his attorney."

Earlier Tuesday in California, a judge gave Fred Goldman a week to come up with a list of sports memorabilia O.J. Simpson is accused of stealing from the Vegas hotel room, but he refused to order Simpson to hand over his earnings from everything from autograph signings to video games.

Simpson was acquitted more than a decade ago of the 1994 murders of his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and Goldman's son, Ron. He was later found liable for the slayings in a wrongful death trial.

The civil jury returned a $33.5 million judgment against Simpson, but it remains largely unpaid. The Goldman family has waged a campaign to claim Simpson's assets since then.

Alexander, one of the men arrested with Simpson, said Tuesday that Simpson may have been tricked because another memorabilia dealer who tipped him off also recorded everything on tape.

"It sounds like a setup to me," Alexander told ABC's "Good Morning America." He said Simpson had thought the memorabilia belonged to him after getting a call from the dealer.

One of the collectors in the room at the time, Bruce Fromong, spoke publicly about the incident on Monday and described Simpson and a group of men coming into the hotel room "commando style."

Later Monday, Fromong had a heart attack and was in critical condition, a spokeswoman at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles said Tuesday.
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One of the collectors in the room at the time, Bruce Fromong, spoke publicly about the incident on Monday and described Simpson and a group of men coming into the hotel room "commando style."

Later Monday, Fromong had a heart attack and was in critical condition, a spokeswoman at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles said Tuesday.


Now, will O.J. be blamed for this man having a heart attack too ??
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When did the kidnapping come into play?
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What we have here is a bunch of people(a judge, a prosecuter, cops, who knows exactly?) who are giving the guy the shaft by stacking a bunch of bogus charges on top of one or two legit charges so that his time in prison will add up to the rest of his life, so that they can be THE people that finally made OJ pay. It's sort of a backdoor way trying him again for the same crime he was already acquitted of. It's backdoor double jeopardy and it's prohibited by the constitution. It's in the bill of rights.

If OJ is guilty of this robbery, than he should pay. Fine. But the adding of these other charges, this obvious attempt to add length to his possible sentence, is, I feel, an unethical manipulation of the justice system. It doesn't matter if OJ is guilty of the murders or not. He probably is. But we can't make exceptions to things that are prohibited by the constitution - even if they're veiled as something else - just because of who it is and what it might represent. It sets an unhealthy legal precedent. If you don't get the verdict you like, the next time the defendent fucks up, stack bogus charges on top of the legit ones.

If OJ is guilty of this robbery, he'll probably pay this time. But I hope the other bogus charges are thrown out without too much thought, for the reasons stated above.
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He told the men that they were not allowed to leave their own hotel room and had men with guns with him.

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Once in the room, Simpson prevented one of the collectors from calling 911 on his cell phone “by ripping it out of Fromong’s hand” while one or more accomplices pointed or displayed a handgun.
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The kidnapping charge accuses the men of detaining each of the men “against his will, and without his consent, for the purpose of committing a robbery.”
If he did those things, how are the charges bogus? Bottom line, if a gun was involved at all, he's in deep trouble.
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when did OJ become a gun man? I thought knives were his forte.
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The robbery charges are perfectly legit. The charges for assault and/or having the gun are perfectly legit.

But kidnapping? There was no kidnapping here. The collectors were still in their own hotel room and were never taken anywhere else. They had guns pointed at them and threats made. That's assault, that's trespassing, that's possession of firearms. But that's not kidnapping, imo.
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The robbery charges are perfectly legit. The charges for assault and/or having the gun are perfectly legit.

But kidnapping? There was no kidnapping here. The collectors were still in their own hotel room and were never taken anywhere else. They had guns pointed at them and threats made. That's assault, that's trespassing, that's possession of firearms. But that's not kidnapping, imo.
They were told that they were not allowed to leave. They were held against their will. I don't think it matters if it was only for a short time.

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Prosecutors say Simpson and his co-defendants -- Walter Alexander, Clarence Stewart and Michael McClinton -- committed kidnapping because they intended to hold or detain the two alleged victims using a weapon.
I thought that was "false imprisonment" but apparently you don't have to take someone to another place to kidnap them, you just have to hold them against their will . I guess it comes down to the letter of the law.
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What we have here is a bunch of people(a judge, a prosecuter, cops, who knows exactly?) who are giving the guy the shaft by stacking a bunch of bogus charges on top of one or two legit charges so that his time in prison will add up to the rest of his life, so that they can be THE people that finally made OJ pay. It's sort of a backdoor way trying him again for the same crime he was already acquitted of. It's backdoor double jeopardy and it's prohibited by the constitution. It's in the bill of rights.

If OJ is guilty of this robbery, than he should pay. Fine. But the adding of these other charges, this obvious attempt to add length to his possible sentence, is, I feel, an unethical manipulation of the justice system. It doesn't matter if OJ is guilty of the murders or not. He probably is. But we can't make exceptions to things that are prohibited by the constitution - even if they're veiled as something else - just because of who it is and what it might represent. It sets an unhealthy legal precedent. If you don't get the verdict you like, the next time the defendent fucks up, stack bogus charges on top of the legit ones.

If OJ is guilty of this robbery, he'll probably pay this time. But I hope the other bogus charges are thrown out without too much thought, for the reasons stated above.
While you have a point and I fully believe that the judge is gonna throw the book at him for who he is, I still fully support it. The man butchered two people. Everybody knows it. He deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life. He cheated justice once. This time justice will cheat him. Sounds like karma to me and I couldn't be happier about this whole thing.
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The charges seem legitimate. There's plenty of checks in the court system to avoid a revenge trial.

The bottom line is that he's nuts, and he takes the law into his own hands. If they have enough evidence to prove each of the charges, he deserves to serve the sentence.
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The robbery charges are perfectly legit. The charges for assault and/or having the gun are perfectly legit.

But kidnapping? There was no kidnapping here. The collectors were still in their own hotel room and were never taken anywhere else. They had guns pointed at them and threats made. That's assault, that's trespassing, that's possession of firearms. But that's not kidnapping, imo.
You don't have to physically take someone away by force to be charged with kidnapping.

According to the Nevada criminal code, kidnapping applies in this case. People were confined for the purpose of robbery and threatened with bodily harm. It meets the federal definition of kidnapping as well.

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1. A person who willfully seizes, confines, inveigles, entices, decoys, abducts, conceals, kidnaps or carries away a person by any means whatsoever with the intent to hold or detain, or who holds or detains, the person for ransom, or reward, or for the purpose of committing sexual assault, extortion or robbery upon or from the person, or for the purpose of killing the person or inflicting substantial bodily harm upon him, or to exact from relatives, friends, or any other person any money or valuable thing for the return or disposition of the kidnapped person, and a person who leads, takes, entices, or carries away or detains any minor with the intent to keep, imprison, or confine him from his parents, guardians, or any other person having lawful custody of the minor, or with the intent to hold the minor to unlawful service, or perpetrate upon the person of the minor any unlawful act is guilty of kidnapping in the first degree which is a category A felony.
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The robbery charges are perfectly legit. The charges for assault and/or having the gun are perfectly legit.

But kidnapping? There was no kidnapping here. The collectors were still in their own hotel room and were never taken anywhere else. They had guns pointed at them and threats made. That's assault, that's trespassing, that's possession of firearms. But that's not kidnapping, imo.
You really want him to be innocent don't you?

The kidnapping charges are legit, just read the definition of kidnapping laid out by the law.
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Plus it was a bloody, wet leather glove left in storage for months and months. Of course it wouldn't fit like it did before.

That was the dumbest move the prosecutors made in that case, having O.J. try the glove on in court. Of course he's going to act like he's struggling to put it on.
Exactly! I used to ride horses and wore leather gloves which would often get wet clear through. They would shrink up terribly -- especially the show gloves which because I didn't show that much would have have weeks and even months between uses -- but I could always get them back on and stretched out.

And yes, the prosecution was incredibly stupid to have him "try" to put those gloves on. Of course he wasn't going to get them to fit! (I doubt it would have made a bit of difference in the outcome even if they have fit perfectly though. )
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You really want him to be innocent don't you?

The kidnapping charges are legit, just read the definition of kidnapping laid out by the law.
Who said anything about innocent? I said the robbery and assault charges were legit and that he should pay the price for them.

I don't care if he's guilty or not, I really don't. I just don't want to see public officials, be it judges or prosecuters or cops, manipulate an already flawed justice system to either A)set up a 'revenge' trial or B)give themselves 15 minutes of fame for being the guy(s) that made OJ pay.

If the law defines what happened as kidnapping, fine. I don't personally agree with that definition of kidnapping, but if that's the law, that's the law.
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