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Old 01-14-2006, 03:10 AM   #1
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NIN rip...terrible lie

now i'm totally one to allow for the fact that opinions are what they are. but this review may disprove this. it's completely WRONG. i'm not the biggest fan of nine inch nails, or even the biggest fan of 'pretty hate machine', but i would never deny it's brilliance, ingenuity, or fantastic songwriting. modern rock owes so much to this album...the reviewer continually refers to the dated sound of the record...who cares? there's a dated sound to 'satisfaction' by the stones...and 'rio' by duran duran. that 'dated sound' can be the sound of an artist capturing the era, preserving it forever. like nirvana's 'nevermind' did. i suppose that sounds dated now, also.
at any rate, if he was pissed that no extras were included, well he still missed the point. he didn't listen to any of the songs on the record. 'PHM' contains some of the most vital and original songs and sounds EVER...
nobody will ever create a song that is as simultaneously original and difficult as 'down in it'. never. what a fuckhead...
read the review at this link if you feel the need to be incredibly annoyed.
pitchfork doesn't have a space to post annoyances, so i'm leaving mine here. thanks for bearing with me. 'pretty hate machine' kicks fucking ass.
link to shit review:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record...-machine.shtml
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:30 AM   #2
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wow, this guy sounds like he's just pissed because it wasn't remastered or released with a bunch of extras like 'the downward spiral' was a couple years ago. what a dumbass.

did that guy even listen to 'head like a hole'?! that song is just as magnificent today as it was 17 years ago (jesus, i'm so old).

there's no denying that phm was a seminal release for the ebm/industrial genre as it brought it out of the clubs and onto mtv and to a wider audience in general.

and i just saw nin a few months ago and the phm material was more than able to hold its own alongside the newer stuff.

i guess the reviewer failed to consider the album's influence as well. i remember reading that this was the stuff that the edge was listening to during the writing and recording of achtung baby. i mean, HELLO???! it's a fucking classic - i don't care what pitchfork says.
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haha

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Pitchfork actually liked How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, which kind of says it all for their understanding of anything.
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Old 01-16-2006, 03:22 PM   #6
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Pitchfork sucks. So do all the lame rip-off sites. Have you seen them? They're ridiculous. I thought I was AT Pitchfork one day, but it turns out it was just another shitty imitation that almost looked identical. And when you do a shit imitation of something that was shit to begin with, well, then there's really no hope for you.
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We should remember that the reviewer is commenting on a re-release. Basically, what he's saying is that if you already have the original, there's no reason to purchase this product. Here's a fan review I pulled off the web from someone who made the mistake of buying this (twice) and should have read this review before doing so.
Rykodisc Blows It
"Why bother putting out the disc again if your not going to improve the sound. Sure it is a great album but it has always been the worst in terms of sound and the mastering job in the Nine Inch Nails canon. I understand not wanting to add a bunch of extra tracks but don't bother putting something out that sound even worse the orginal TVT version of the album. In side by side comparsion it is not as good so save the money if you already own and don't make the same mistake I did. If you don't own it already, do buy it though Nine Inch Nails have changed a lot over the years it is well worth hear this first steps. The album also contains some of the Trents best singles. Though it lacks the scope of latter albums, you can't beat songs like Head Like a Hole and Down In It (though it is a blantant steal of Skinny Puppys Dig It) for a good musical rush."

On a personal note, I never thought Pretty Hate Machine was all that great when it first came out. I saw Trent and band tour behind it and they were awful live. It took Wish and Downward Spiral to convince me to come back around to them.
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though i hesitate to defend pitchfork . . .

while their overbearing pretentiousness can be too much and is easily mocked, i still think they are one of the best sites for music news/reviews. particularly in terms of reviews, which i feel is a lost art that pitchfork has gone some ways to revive. just pick up a rolling stone or other "music" magazine and look at the review section: the reviews are completely cursory and insubstantial. at least you know that the pitchfork reviewers actually spent some time with the album in question. i also find it respectable that they went from being a small website to one of the authorities on indie music. if you don't think they played at least a small part in helping break bands like the arcade fire and clap your hands say yeah, then check your head. the majority of the time, i find their reviews to be pretty fair and accurate.

as for the phm reissue, the review was a bit harsh, but nin, discounting the downward spiral, is one of their favourite targets. while i don't entirely agree with the review (something i can never have is a beautiful song, bitches!) i would say that about half the album is great and the other sounds dated, in the bad way. i'd venture to say that even t. rez wants to distance himself from much of the material on that album. while most music does date itself to the time it came out in, the term "dated" usually means "out"-dated. (e.g. 70s jackson 5 & 80s depeche mode sound like the time periods they sprung from, but still sound great & timeless today)
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Pitchfork is pure shit, why bother checking their reviews?? Is just asking to get pissed off.
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