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Old 06-07-2004, 09:13 AM   #31
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So Kieran, I guess this means Chad Kroeger is doing the goddamn Ronald now.
WOW!

It's all making sense now.


Q. Who the hell is waisting perfectly good hard drive space with Nickleback songs?
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*Agrees with the others who support downloading music-ironically, my sister downloads music all the time, and yet she still went out and brought Nickelback's latest CD a while back-wonder what the lead singer would have to say to that?*

Also, I would really love to know what people who claim that downloading music kills the record industry think of the artists out there who do support it (like Tom Petty, for instance)?

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Old 06-07-2004, 09:11 PM   #33
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Yeah, but Tom Petty is well established and has made his money. Easy for him to say. I think the point is that downloading is at least contributing to it being harder for new acts to make it. I think thats true, but I also agree with others that say downloading isnt the only cause of the decline of the music industry. Alot of you say you still buy CD's but people I know that download do not. So I dont think those of you that say that are still buying CD's are the norm on that one. The percentages dont lie. Sales are down significantly since the whole downloading craze started. So it is having a negative effect. I'am a firm believer that the artist deserves to be compensated for their work. If you download something for free, how are they compensated? I think the price of CD's does need to be brought down also. A new CD shouldnt cost over $10, charging more than that is just being greedy by the record labels IMO. One thing is for sure, something needs to be done or the problem(s) are going to get worse.

I love how some of you just gloss over the point of what he is saying by cutting down their music??!! Seems like kind of a deflection and not a point to me. What if it was Bono that was saying the same thing? Does the point suddenly change then because you like U2's music?
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I think part of the effect is lost because Nickelback is nowhere near a struggling band - one of few to experience really strong sales in that period. Since 2001 they've earned enough to retire very comfortably. Kroeger is also a master businessman.
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I can't stand Nickelback, and I don't download.
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IMO, the biggest chunk of money being wasted by the record industry which in turn inflates CD prices is advertising and promotion.

You can't polish a turd, but god knows the record companies try. So we're forced to foot the bill for Britney flying her ass around the country in first class and every HMV having at least two lifesized cardboard cutouts. This shit is totally unecessary, and usually the type of artists heavily promoted like this are short-lived, targetting the fickle teens.

I still buy CDs, probably moreso now than I did before, because I surely have more money now than I did when I was at University or in high school. But the general public is probably downloading more, that much is true.

So yes, the public may be stealing, but the record industry has been inflexible.
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Didnt Harvard recently publish the must indepth study there has been on downloading vs. cd sales and come to the conclusion that there is no possible way that downloading has caused a drop in cd sales overall in the music industry. Indie artists are flourishing and selling more than they ever used to, while the garbage mainstream labels try to promote as 'groundbreaking' are selling less and less.

I'm almost positive there was even a thread on that study here in Bang and Clatter.
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Here it is, it was a Harvard-USC joint study:

http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/Fil..._March2004.pdf


Let me quote part of the conclusion:

We find that file sharing has no statistically significant effect on purchases of the average album in our sample. Moreover, the estimates are of rather modest size when compared to the drastic reduction in sales in the music industry. At most, file sharing can explain a tiny fraction of this decline. This result is plausible given that movies, software, and video games are actively downloaded, and yet these industries have continued to grow since the advent of file sharing. While a full explanation for the recent decline in record sales are beyond the scope of this analysis, several plausible candidates exist. These alternative factors include poor macroeconomic conditions, a reduction in the number of album releases, growing competition from other forms of entertainment such as video games and DVDs (video game graphics have improved and the price of DVD players or movies have sharply fallen), a reduction in music variety stemming from the large consolidation in radio along with the rise of independent promoter fees to gain airplay, and possibly a consumer backlash against record industry tactics.26 It is also important to note that a similar drop in record sales occurred in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and that record sales in the 1990s may have been abnormally high as individuals replaced
older formats with CDs (Liebowitz, 2003).
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Said and done!
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heck downloading gave Jet a career
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I worked in the marketing department of one of the 5 'major' record companies for 4 years up until about 2 years ago, and still a lot of my good friends are music industry people. This by the way is here in Australia. At these companies you have to remember that 95% of the employees are like you and I: massive music junkies. They just get to live a dream and spend their lives around music. The orders for clamping down on downloads etc come right from the top and have little genuine support. I know here in Australia the orders come from the US (take legal action, campaign against it at every opportunity etc) and while the local heads comply with the orders (if they didn't, they'd get the boot obviously) they don't agree with it.

Sales of cd's are only down by a minor amount. The difference though is in two areas: Singles are dead and buried, and the sales are spread across a wider range of titles. Lets say in 1994 110 CD's were sold on June 8th. In 2004, 100 CD's were sold. Slightly lower %. In 1994, 10 CD's sold would have made you #1 for that day and only 30 titles were bought. In 2004, only 4 CD's sold makes you #1 but 80 titles were bought that day. Make sense?

It's not hurting CD sales in total, but it's killing the massive sales figures on single albums. Music downloading is broadening peoples tastes and sales are showing it. It's really about access and choice.

So why don't the CEO's in New York, LA and London like it? One is the relationship between big business entertainment and media companies. They need big selling mega-artists. From magazine covers to radio stations to tv shows, they need those (remember at the top, most of these companies are all owned by the same people - Sony music, tv, film etc, Time AOL Warner, Vivendi Universal etc). Having 5 huge artists and 100 medium size artists on the bench is what they like. Not 105 medium artists. Particularly the relationship between radio, music tv (MTV etc) and record company. The other, and it is the big one, is quite simple. Record companies like every other business now care mostly about one thing and one thing only: share price. Music downloading takes control away from the record companies, radio stations and music tv and puts it in the hands of us. What they push isn't always what we notice and buy any more. They have to at the very least show they have control. They have always had an insane amount of control, literaly picking and choosing what it is we will buy, and then hyping it to the satisfactory sales levels all on their own. They have lost that. It makes their business look bad.

I think there will be more, greater upheaval in the music industry in the future. I think it's an awesome time for young music entrepreneurs. I think it will take huge balls for the major record companies to shift their thinking to what will be succesfull in the future. I don't expect to see any of the Big 5 do it, but I think it's important that people know that it is only a small handfull of executives in a boardroom in New York who don't want it to happen. The vast majority of record company employees know better than anyone else what the way of the future is, but obviously just tow the line, and you can't blame them. They have their dream jobs and they ain't about to throw them away.

Record Companies have to become 'Music Communities'. Still be the service that brings us our music. CD's won't die for a little while, and paying for music doesn't ever have to die. A band will still need a large and powerful company behind them if they are to record, manufacture and distribute their music to record stores all over the globe. They will still need a large and powerful company behind them if they are to be known, heard and popular. And music will still always be a 'sold' product. There will always be promotion, marketing etc. There is a place for record companies. What they need to do though, instead of throwing up the walls and locking the doors and trying to fight the consumer, they should be opening up further and further. People will still buy what they like, but they expect more choice and better access. Basicaly, the consumer has taken control of the market, and they can either keep fighting it and lose (and they will), or just simply ask, what do you want now? What would be better than the p2p systems you use? What do you want, as a U2 (or whoever) fan, to get from U2? How do you want to get access to, and 'browse' new music?

Blah, it's getting late...... I could rant for pages.
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Apart from catering the teens/MTV audience too much, the labels need to look at the CD prices (especially their own profit). Surely lower prices, with more varied/quality music, would draw costumers back to the stores. Also, new technology (internet) and a new format with DVD are competition - just like CD destroyed the LP.
(yet blank CDs and CD burners are perfectly legit - how come no one put 2 and 2 together that most popular music would get dowloaded the most?)
Also I think singles' sales aren't what they used to be, nor are albums. IMO these days the money is in touring.

Over here, the prices went up 30% in the last two years or so, for the most popular artists. It's interesting that people who make LOTS of money and big names complain most about downloading. (for example, Metallica & napster, Britney etc...)
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I buy most of my cds used because the new ones cost too damn much. And I'm not exactly poor compared to kids in high school or college.
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I still think that the title of this thread is the high point of all these points. A classic, could've come from The Onion.

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Old 06-08-2004, 09:19 AM   #45
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Outstanding rant Tyler!

People do not realize how "big business" the music industry is - unless they are insiders or are very intuitive.

The bands themselves get SCREWED often in their pursuit of a "major label"

I wish my signature for zoney was still around...a Hunter S. Thompson quote about the music industry that is right on.
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