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Old 01-18-2006, 08:42 AM   #331
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and if jerry porter, a guy who actually plays in the nfl, is suspicious of refs trying to influence the game, then i think i should be allowed to be too
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100% missed calls in my book, but hey... have fun with that 1% there mr. stone


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Old 01-18-2006, 08:44 AM   #333
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did you see the clips? they are blatantly bad/missed calls.

so either this guy is extremely imcompotent, which is possible considering how bad the refs have been lately, or maaaaaaybe there was something up.

like i said, 99% of me thinks the guy is just an idiot, but after reading some things ive read about game fixing, there is 1% of me that thinks something might have been going on.
But the question is why?
Money?
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But the question is why?
Money?
yes, you do know the superbowl is the most bet on game in t he world right. with sooooo much money riding on it, that can only lead some people to try to corrupt it in a way they can profit.

i think people are incredibly naive to believe that no ref has ever received money to try to influence a game

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Several years ago, I received a copy of an FBI-302 report, which detailed the FBI's investigation of NFL referees and game officials. The report stated that "two or three referees" had been paid $100,000 by a New York Mafia figure for their participation in each of eight allegedly fixed games--which I list on page 308 of Interference. The referees' alleged job was to ensure that the unnamed mob figure covered the spread and, thus, won his bets. The referees' names were not mentioned in the FBI report.



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"We have a basic rule in the NFL," says a former law enforcement official who advises the NFL of security matters." It is to keep it upbeat and keep it positive. But above all keep in quiet." p. 33

Phil Manuel, former Senate investigator: "The oldest trick in the book is to hire old Justice Department officials and make them understand that they are to protect the security of the NFL owners.

"The retired law-enforcement guys maintain their ties to their old agencies, and they can tell which investigations are being done and whether they migt be troublesome. When some wrongdoing is ready to go public, the NFL security people can go to their old fellow workers and say,'We can handle this ourselves. Give us a chance to straighten this mess out without all the attention your public investigation will bring.'" p. 37

Ralph Salerno, former supervisor of detectives for the NYPD: "How does the NFL protect itself with one guy in each NFL city. They do it illegally. The local NFL security guy takes the local police commissioner, the chief of detectives, and other important law enforcement officials and gives him season tickets and box seats. They get wined and dined.

"And then these public employees who are paid with public funds come up with criminal information and turn it over to profit-making corporations. And that is illegal. Do the police do that for every trucking company or furniture manufacturer? Of course not. But they do it for the NFL. The whole NFL Security operation that Rozelle {brags} about is simply and illegal operation." p. 37

An IRS agent taken off an NFL-related gambling probe: "What we've got here are connections among the Cosa Nostra, the federal government, the big attorneys in the D.C. area, sports figures, and the television news media. We were getting too close to the people at the top. [He} was being protected by people within the Justice Department. P. 171

From Interference: How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football by Dan Moldea.
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The Rams were 14 point favorites in that game, if some official were trying to help somebody win on the Pats, they would have just made sure the game were close, not made sure the Pats won.
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yes, you do know the superbowl is the most bet on game in t he world right. with sooooo much money riding on it, that can only lead some people to try to corrupt it in a way they can profit.
So does this mean every Superbowl is fixed in some way?
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So does this mean every Superbowl is fixed in some way?
no im not saying that every superbowl is fixed, what i am saying i dont think its outside the realm of possibility for some games to have had outside influence

just ask jerry porter what he thinks about that
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Mike Vrabel's hand comes up into Kurt Warner's facemask, then he brings him down around the collarbone area. Refs do not call game-altering penalties on plays like that. I'm terribly, terribly sorry.

Kukar tried to overturn the holding penalty on Willie McGinest because he didn't see it.

And Brady's throwaway was plausible enough to be considered an incompletion to the receiver running upfield.

Pete Morelli didn't try to fix the Colts game, he just misinterpreted an unnecessarily complex rule. If the refs were trying to jack the Steelers, they would have called pass interference on that last Colts pass into the endzone (a fair amount of contact, but a correct no-call in my opinion).

If I were a ref, you couldn't offer me enough money to fix a playoff game, much less the Super Bowl. The truth always comes out one way or another, and...well...when it did, I'd have to be very afraid for my life. Not joking.
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yes but we all know about the tuck, which gave them the opportunity for the win.

now while i dont really think there was any sort of fixing going on in the superbowl, there is about 1% of me that there is a possibility that the head official, Bernie Kukar was in on something.

If he wasn't, then he is an extremely incompotent ref who missed a few very obvious calls.
By going through all this in excruciating detail, I'd say it's more than 1% of you that thinks that way...

As in most important games (like this past weekend), there are going to be some questionable calls. That's just the way it is. That's all it was in that Super Bowl, and that's all it was this weekend.
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theres questionable calls in everygame, theyre just maginified when its a huge game.
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I'm not saying that I believe in the conspiracies, but with all the money that goes on in gambling for the Super Bowl, it makes you wonder.

To quote the Million Dollar Man, "Everyone has a price."
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hey guys

turns out that tom isnt so great after all

i bet peyton was just sick

thats what it was

marvin harrison had to call his plays

he was about to throw up

too bad i wasnt in there

i woulda won

but my heroic season-ending surgery prevented that

next year though guys

we dont need that whiney receiver

fly eagles fly

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NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said he'd guess that Champ Bailey's interception return Saturday was a touchback, but the video replay couldn't prove it.
"If I had to guess, it's in the end zone for a touchback," Pereira told WFAN in New York. The Patriots were trailing 10-6 at the time. If they got the ball back at the 20 and went on to win, Watson's play may have gone down as one of the all time NFL moments

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NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said he'd guess that Champ Bailey's interception return Saturday was a touchback, but the video replay couldn't prove it.
"If I had to guess, it's in the end zone for a touchback," Pereira told WFAN in New York. The Patriots were trailing 10-6 at the time. If they got the ball back at the 20 and went on to win, Watson's play may have gone down as one of the all time NFL moments

And yet, it doesn't make a difference.



I have all the respect for the Patriots in the world. They were one of the great winners and I enjoyed watching them. But seriously, they won several games playoff games with questionable calls. You can't get all worked up when it finally goes the other way.
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NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said he'd guess that Champ Bailey's interception return Saturday was a touchback, but the video replay couldn't prove it.
"If I had to guess, it's in the end zone for a touchback," Pereira told WFAN in New York. The Patriots were trailing 10-6 at the time. If they got the ball back at the 20 and went on to win, Watson's play may have gone down as one of the all time NFL moments

With camera shots from two different angles and some software, you could pin down the exact location of the ball as it crossed the sideline. I don't know how expensive this would be.

It's hard to blame the refs too much for not being able to sprint 100 yards with Champ Bailey to get a close-up view of the ball.
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