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Old 01-29-2007, 10:02 AM   #211
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oh, and face guarding is a silly rule, and they got rid of it 'cause it's a silly rule. if a guy doesn't make contact, who gives a crap if he's "playing the ball" or not. one would assume that, as a reciever, you'd prefer it if the person defending you has no idea where the ball is. why have a penalty for stupidity. a better throw and it's a touchdown. if he wasn't face guarding, he probably would have intercepted the pass.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:11 AM   #212
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The 'push out' is still sillier. So he 'would' have come down in bounds IF he wasn't pushed, but he was! Why even have a defense? Yeah, and face guarded guys 'would' catch a pass if they're not face guarded. But the push out is the dumbest, because the guy could still NOT have come down in bounds, could have dropped it, or something. That's why I really don't like the first down at the one 'freebie' on long passes. The guy may not have caught it anyway. WR's drop passes all the time.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:14 AM   #213
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he fell to the ground because he tripped... you can see the change in color of the field turf when his foot got stuck. it's clear as day, and if you can't see it, you're just trying to ignore it.

That's what I say about the shirt grab when he went around him. People do tend to get their feet off balance and fall after they've been grabbed. I'll see if somebody can make me a screen cap of it.
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Yeah, and face guarded guys 'would' catch a pass if they're not face guarded.
on that particular throw, if the DB wasn't face guarding, he probably would have intercepted the ball and the colts would have lost.

it's a stupid play by the defender. a better throw and it's a touchdown regardless.
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Old 01-29-2007, 10:22 AM   #215
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Look, I just posted the link for clarification that the NFL officials admitted it was a mistake.
You know how to get the thread rockin', don't you.

Despite what each of one us personally feels about certain rules, the push out is a legitimate rule and the officials made the correct call.

Face guarding is no longer a rule and therefore was an incorrect call.

As for Reggie Wayne supposedly being grabbed, he most certainly tripped and it was not caused by the defender. Watch it again.

And yes, the Patriots have had a number of calls go there way, so what comes around goes around. They lost this game regardless of any calls that may or may not have been made. End of story.
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it's a stupid play by the defender. a better throw and it's a touchdown regardless.
I don't know. I think it's a dumb rule that it's allowed, personally. Why don't DB's just do it all the time when there's a receiver in the corner of the end zone, rather than play the ball?
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Because if they play the ball they might get an interception.
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look i haven't been a QB since 8th grade middle school... and that didnt' exactly go well. so all i can base it on is what i know from basketball... and i know that if a defender is face guarding my eyes light up 'cause i know it's gonna be a good day, 'cause the defender could be all over me or a teammate and it doesn't matter, because if the defender can't see the ball, the player is, in fact, wide open, and if you throw a good pass the only way the defender can stop it is out of pure dumb luck.
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I thought any time you didn't make a play for the ball, it was interference?
And you thought wrong.
Myself, Headache and speedracer as I noted all made mention of this after the game. Phil Simms was wrong, the officials were wrong and the NFL admitted it.
Pass interference requires contact and/or impeding the receiver's route, none of which happened on that Hobbs/Wayne play in the end zone, we should still be in the 175th overtime as we speak.
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if you make contact without making a play on the ball, it's interference.

if you don't see the ball, you're a douchebag.
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One thing they taught us in ice hockey referee school is to NEVER admit that you botched a call. It makes you look like you don't know the rules and gives rowdy coaches, players and fans fodder for insults. At the very worst if you knew you fucked up a call you'd tell the coach you were sorry but you either called it like you saw it or didn't see it (even if you did).

For a referee to openly admit he blew a call is pretty risky. For the NFL to say one of their referees blew a call is even worse. If my Referee-in-Chief had ever publicly said I blew a call in a game I'd never work for him again. The NFL seems to be undermining its own officials.
Those days should have been over with the proliferation of sports on video, and they definitely are over with the explosion of the Internet, YouTube and DVR. Maybe 20 years ago officials and leagues could do this, but now if you make a mistake, everyone will know about it. It would be a far bigger blow to the officials' and league's credibility to deny that a mistake happened.

As an example, is anybody happy with the way MLB handled the incident with the gunk on Kenny Rogers's hand?
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No, that was a major fuck up by MLB. Rogers should've been tossed from the game. He shouldn't have been given the chance to wipe it off.
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Whether it's legal or not, I still think it ought to be a penalty. Not on the level of a DPI (ie down to the one), maybe 5 or 10 yards or something. Once you're resorting to leaping and hoping the ball whacks you in the back, you don't deserve to kill the down.

ETA: Kenny Rogers I was rooting for the Tigers in the CS and WS, but I lost a lot of respect for him (the near-zero amount I had left for K-Rog after the cameraman incident) in these past playoffs. He got caught cheating and just barely got away with it thanks to luck. Instead of claiming it was "dirt" and looking like a liar to the entire planet, if he'd owned up to it and paid the fine I think he would have been a lot better off.
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If I'm the coach and my defender does that and successfully blocks the ball, you can be sure I'd tell him he did a good job. Bottom Line: You're just not supposed to touch the guy. It's ok if you block the ball with your body. The gamble is on not having you eye on the ball. It's a fair and legal play and has been done for years. It's just not reccomended by coaches on how to defend a pass.
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hmm... it always sucks when refs later admit to making a bad call, because there's nothing that can be done about it. it's like "oops...my bad, oh well" it can only bring so much satisfaction to fans of the wronged team, because the outcome of the game isn't changed

still, you can't say the pats would have won if the call wasn't made. it would have only increased their chances very slightly. questionable calls get made a lot, it's just part of the game
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