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Old 01-29-2007, 02:36 AM   #196
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Pretty much, when a team loses, I would think that someone has choked. If a QB throws an INT, then that QB has choked. If a Safety gets burned on a long pass for a TD, he has choked. If the holder botches the snap on a FG attempt, that is a choke.
Yeah, I just don't see it that way. Sometimes, just lose. Sometimes, an interception occurs because a DB makes a great play, not because someone messed up.
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League official admits: a bad call was made Kyle Psaty


Rewind to the third quarter of last Sunday’s AFC Championship game, when Patriots cornerback Ellis Hobbs was flagged for pass interference.

It’s a second-and-seven play on the Patriots 19-yard line. Peyton Manning sets up behind center, checks the coverage and calls for the snap. He takes a three step drop and fires the football into the end zone, aimed for wideout Reggie Wayne, who’s given Ellis Hobbs the slip and is streaking down the sideline for a touchdown catch.

But Hobbs stays with the Colts No. 2 receiver. He closes on Wayne, chopping his feet to avoid bumping into the wideout, a sure penalty since his back is to the passer. Wayne’s eyes widen, indicating the ball is on its way. Free from contact, Hobbs jumps up but doesn’t turn to look for the football, which strikes Hobbs’ left biceps from behind and falls to the turf dead.

Penalty flags fly, and referee Bill Carollo turns on his mic to let everyone know that the penalty’s on the “Defense. Automatic first down. The ball will be placed at the 1-yard line.” Manning hits former Patriot Dan Klecko for a 1-yard touchdown pass. A two-point conversion follows, tying it 21-21.

“Face-guarding,” said CBS analyst and former Giants quarterback Phil Simms during the replay. “Ellis Hobbs jumps up, just tries to get in the way of Reggie Wayne. Does not see the football. Does not play it. Easy call.”

Not so, according to replay official Dean Blandino, who joined Bob Boylston in the booth that day.

In a recent posting by Vic Ketchman, Jaguars.com senior editor, Ketchman responded to a fan’s posting about the play, writing, “You are absolutely correct. Face-guarding was discontinued several years ago and I completely missed it.”

Apparently, Ketchman had already responded to questions about the play, attributing the call to face-guarding just like Simms and countless fans across the nation who tuned in to watch the most viewed AFC Championship game in over 20 years.
There is no NFL rule against face-guarding.

“I talked to Dean Blandino in the league office and he confirmed what you’re saying,” wrote Ketchman. “Ellis Hobbs should not have been flagged for pass-interference. He didn’t make contact with the receiver and in no way did Hobbs impede Reggie Wayne’s ability to catch the pass. Blandino confirmed that the incorrect call was made. … Referee Bill Carollo made no reference to face-guarding in his explanation, but CBS analyst Phil Simms did. Apparently, he, too, doesn’t know the rule no longer exists. The next time you hear a TV analyst say, ‘he wasn’t playing the ball,’ think of the Hobbs play, then turn down the sound.”


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Oh, come on.

He wasn't even ATTEMPTING to play the ball. You can't just leap in front of a receiver spread-eagle and hope the ball whacks you in the back.

If you're a defensive back and that's what you have to resort to to defend a receiver, you've been beaten. You deserve to be scored on anyways.

If there's not a rule against this, there should be one - ASAP.
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Here is a tissue.

Makes up for hundres of calls I have seen go the Pats way over the last few years (including no calls).
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Makes up for hundreds of calls I have seen go the Pats way over the last few years (including no calls).
Yeah, like the last championship game, and the Super Bowl against the Rams. Charlie Casserly said in a TV interview Bill Polian was so upset by the non calls on the Pats' DBs he brought it up at the meeting of the competition committee and asked for changes. The Rams also complained. The Pats DBs got away with more cheating with non calls than anyone except the Cowboy recievers of the 90's. Irvin consistently pushed off but was almost never called, yet when he missed a pass, all he had to do was do a limp wristed flag tossing motion and the officials complied.

And speaking of 'bad calls', what about the call in this year's game where the Pat DB pulled Wayne to the ground by the jersey and they said he wasn't interfered with?
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Oh, come on.

He wasn't even ATTEMPTING to play the ball. You can't just leap in front of a receiver spread-eagle and hope the ball whacks you in the back.

If you're a defensive back and that's what you have to resort to to defend a receiver, you've been beaten. You deserve to be scored on anyways.

If there's not a rule against this, there should be one - ASAP.
Look, I just posted the link for clarification that the NFL officials admitted it was a mistake.
He didn't play the ball...so what... thats not a penalty, making contact with the receiver is a penalty...Hobbs made zero contact with Wayne. He deflected the ball away, there is no faceguarding rule, what he did was perfectly legit. Had he impeded Wayne's route in any way, then it would be a penalty.

Just to use a U2Kitten terminology...the Colts cheated!
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And speaking of 'bad calls', what about the call in this year's game where the Pat DB pulled Wayne to the ground by the jersey and they said he wasn't interfered with?
You mean the play where Wayne tripped over his own feet? C'mon you're grasping now.

And lets not forget Reche Caldwell getting mugged in the end zone by David which wasn't called in the 4th quarter.
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The reason the link was posted was mainly to justify what some of those who understand the game had posted back on 1/22:

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that pass interference penalty in the endzone that setup the 1st and goal from the 1 yard line... that was a complete BS penalty. it can't be pass interference if no contact was made, and no contact was made. .
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The pass interference calls (the one on Ellis Hobbs for faceguarding, and the one not called when the Indy DB shoved Reche Caldwell) were atrocious,
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Look, I just posted the link for clarification that the NFL officials admitted it was a mistake.
He didn't play the ball...so what... thats not a penalty, making contact with the receiver is a penalty...Hobbs made zero contact with Wayne. He deflected the ball away, there is no faceguarding rule, what he did was perfectly legit. Had he impeded Wayne's route in any way, then it would be a penalty.

Just to use a U2Kitten terminology...the Colts cheated!
Technically it may be legal but that doesn't mean it's not a stupid rule.

As others have said, it has been going the Pats' way for the last few years now so it's about time the trend reversed.
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I think the fact that any official would confess and say that they goofed is a joke. Big deal, they admit they fucked up. It still doesn't change anything. The call stood and the Colts won the game. Why bring it up and make the officials look even more foolish?
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I think the fact that any official would confess and say that they goofed is a joke. Big deal, they admit they fucked up. It still doesn't change anything. The call stood and the Colts won the game. Why bring it up and make the officials look even more foolish?
One thing they taught us in ice hockey referee school is to NEVER admit that you botched a call. It makes you look like you don't know the rules and gives rowdy coaches, players and fans fodder for insults. At the very worst if you knew you fucked up a call you'd tell the coach you were sorry but you either called it like you saw it or didn't see it (even if you did).

For a referee to openly admit he blew a call is pretty risky. For the NFL to say one of their referees blew a call is even worse. If my Referee-in-Chief had ever publicly said I blew a call in a game I'd never work for him again. The NFL seems to be undermining its own officials.
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The NFL has admitted officiating mistakes a number of times in the past.
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You mean the play where Wayne tripped over his own feet? C'mon you're grasping now.
No actually the DB was grasping the shirt. You can see it on the replay. He fell to the ground because he was grabbed by the shirt.

And back to the face guarding, it looked like a basketball play! I'd never seen anything like it in football. I thought any time you didn't make a play for the ball, it was interference?
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he fell to the ground because he tripped... you can see the change in color of the field turf when his foot got stuck. it's clear as day, and if you can't see it, you're just trying to ignore it.

when you get pulled from behind, you normally don't fall flat on your face. you tend to fall backwards. wayne fell flat on his face, and then the feet got tangled.

later in the same game, wayne again tripped on the field turf without being touched. perhaps he had some cleat issues that he should attempt to get fixed before miami.
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