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Old 01-23-2008, 03:24 PM   #721
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I have relatively neutral feelings towards LaDanian, but it always struck me as odd, and a touch unfair, that he refuses to play any pre-season games, presumably because he's "saving" himself for the regular season.
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:30 PM   #722
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and lastly, the fact remains that tomlinson took himself out of the game after 2 plays. philip rivers played the entire game on NO acl, tomlinson took himself out after two plays because of a sprained mcl.

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The fact you compare a sprained MCl on a runningback to a no ACL on a quarterback demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the subject. IF you were comparing a dislocated shoulder on a quarterback, and a sprained MCL on a runningback, that would be a fair comparison. Otherwise, the comaparison makes no sense.

Why would a gimpy runningback who is not able to cut or run want to keep himself in a game when he knows his backup averages about 5 yards per carry??? To me, that would be the epitome of selfishness and lack of leadership. Although you may not want to recognize it, LT did what was best for the Chargers, given the circumstances.
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The fact you compare a sprained MCl on a runningback to a no ACL on a quarterback demonstrates your lack of knowledge on the subject. IF you were comparing a dislocated shoulder on a quarterback, and a sprained MCL on a runningback, that would be a fair comparison. Otherwise, the comaparison makes no sense.

Why would a gimpy runningback who is not able to cut or run want to keep himself in a game when he knows his backup averages about 5 yards per carry??? To me, that would be the epitome of selfishness and lack of leadership. Although you may not want to recognize it, LT did what was best for the Chargers, given the circumstances.

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in fact i can distinctly remember emmitt smith destroying the giants in giants stadium with a pulled hamstring and a severly separated shoulder. "gimmie the ball till i drop" was the quote, i do believe.
you do realize that quarterbacks need to be able to push off on their legs in order to throw the ball, yes?

and while we're at it, ever had a sprained mcl, per chance?
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:37 PM   #724
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you do realize that quarterbacks need to be able to push off on their legs in order to throw the ball, yes?

and while we're at it, ever had a sprained mcl, per chance?
No, I'm obviously stupid, I didn't realize quarterbacks use their legs. Thanks for the update.

Just curious, you honestly think comparing a leg injury of a runningback and a leg injury of a quarterback is a fair or even relevant comparison?
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no matter what answer i give to that question, you're still ignoring the emmitt smith reference.

depending on the scope of the injury, yes... it can be just as relevant. if a QB can't plant his leg to throw, he's not going to be effective. at all.

check out carson palmer and donovan mcnabb... they've both been hurt significantly months after injuring their knees. it throws off their technique, 'causing a loss of "zip" on the ball, and the ball tends to float on the thrower.
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Dude, don't you mean Scott Norwood, wide right?
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no matter what answer i give to that question, you're still ignoring the emmitt smith reference.

depending on the scope of the injury, yes... it can be just as relevant. if a QB can't plant his leg to throw, he's not going to be effective. at all.

check out carson palmer and donovan mcnabb... they've both been hurt significantly months after injuring their knees. it throws off their technique, 'causing a loss of "zip" on the ball, and the ball tends to float on the thrower.
I'm not ignoring the Emmitt Smith quote - what do you want me to say - good for him? OK, good for him! Did he have the same injury as LT? No? Then how is it relevant??
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I would say that the reason Tomlinson is getting heat over this is because of the perception leading up to the game. The public was led to believe that he was 100% healed before the game. Hell, he wasn't even on the injury report on Friday. When I see that, I think that he is fully healed. They would certainly know if that was really the case or not. If he wasn't at 100%, don't mislead the media and public, because it will come back to bite you in the ass. I guess the Charger organization can be as much at fault for that as Tomlinson, but he will still get some of the blame, and rightfully so.

With Rivers, while we didn't know everything beforehand, it was still quite obvious that he was not going to be at 100%, and he was able to play through that, which is why he was lauded for playing.
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I would say that the reason Tomlinson is getting heat over this is because of the perception leading up to the game. The public was led to believe that he was 100% healed before the game. Hell, he wasn't even on the injury report on Friday. When I see that, I think that he is fully healed. They would certainly know if that was really the case or not. If he wasn't at 100%, don't mislead the media and public, because it will come back to bite you in the ass. I guess the Charger organization can be as much at fault for that as Tomlinson, but he will still get some of the blame, and rightfully so.

With Rivers, while we didn't know everything beforehand, it was still quite obvious that he was not going to be at 100%, and he was able to play through that, which is why he was lauded for playing.
I'm not sure where you got the 100% healed from - he only practiced on Thursday and the short pratice Friday. He stated he felt he was 90%, and that he would play. He hadn't taken a hit up until that point. He played, just as he said he would. Once he got in the game, he got hit on the injury and could not play effectively.

I don't know about the injury reports, etc - if you know someone is going to start, even if you don't know what will happen once they get in the game (does anyone really know what will happen with any player once they get in the game?), then should they be on the injury reprt? If so, then he should have been on the injury report. That's a management error, not LTs.


I think the "misleading the public and the media" abot his injury is innacurate - based on a super quick search, here is what was said on Thursday and Friday -

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessi...o&confirm=true


LT clearly stated that he felt fine, but until he got hit, there was no way for him to know if he could play the full game -

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008..._351_18_08.txt
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no matter what answer i give to that question, you're still ignoring the emmitt smith reference.

depending on the scope of the injury, yes... it can be just as relevant. if a QB can't plant his leg to throw, he's not going to be effective. at all.

check out carson palmer and donovan mcnabb... they've both been hurt significantly months after injuring their knees. it throws off their technique, 'causing a loss of "zip" on the ball, and the ball tends to float on the thrower.
Trust me, as a Chargers fan, after this weekend, don't you think I understand that a leg injury effects a quarterback's play?? Rivers had a good game, considering all he was up against, but clearly it effected his play. The difference is, even with a leg injury he was able to play, because he was not getting hit every single play (actually he wasn't hit much at all), he didn't have to move around too much (not that that is much different than he usually plays - Vince Young, Rivers ain't), and his main tool, his arm, was fine.

You are still trying to equate a runningback's leg injury, a position that requires the player to cut, stop short, jerk around, be tackled, on the ligament that is critical to the stability to the knee joint, to a quarterback's leg injury? OK.
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PUHLEASE. This cracks me up. I know its porpular for Pats fans to refuse to call him LT, but those are HIS INITIALS, its not like he went out and created a nickname for himself based on some other player. And its not like his name is Luke Taylor, which is easy to pronounce, and thus, no need to shorten it, the man has a tounge twister of a name.

Lawrence Taylor himself has no problem with it, so why is it even an issue?
Calm down.
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What runningback in the NFL WOULD play on a sprained MCL????
Have you ever been to Atlanta, Germany?
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LdT on the sidelines on Sunday reminded me of Nomar sitting in the dugout during the Jeter faceplant game while the rest of his team was on the top step.
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Calm down.
Huh? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not calm.
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Huh? Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not calm.
That's true.

That fact that you're overreacting means you're not calm.
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