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Old 01-21-2008, 05:18 PM   #601
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I'm really surprised to see such a silly post from you.
I intend to contribute to this discussion, but this made me .
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I don't understand your post. Are you saying that they're more important or equally important than any other position? Because I simply can't agree that QB is the most important part of an offense by far like so many believe. There have been too many instances of terrible QBs running good offenses for me to buy that.

I don't care how brilliant a QB is; even Peyton Manning would have sucked on a team like the Rams this year that had no offensive line. Tom Brady has arguably the best offensive line in football.
Are the Pats 18-0 with Matt Cassel starting all 18 games?
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Are the Pats 18-0 with Matt Cassel starting all 18 games?
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QB is a hugely important position and often separates the great offenses from the passable
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Yes, but the Pats wouldn't necessarily even rate as passable with Cassel.
They had games where offensive linemen were out, 2 at a time at least one game...that can be overcome (not all 5 of course) much easier than loss of a top notch QB.
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I think O-lines are a huge part of football, but that's five positions you're talking about.

QB is definitely the most important single position in football.
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Yes, but the Pats wouldn't necessarily even rate as passable with Cassel.
With Moss, Stallworth, and Welker?

With that brick wall of an o-line?

You're crazy. They would still be good. Just not a machine.
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With Moss, Stallworth, and Welker?

With that brick wall of an o-line?

You're crazy. They would still be good. Just not a machine.
8-8 I venture to guess
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8-8 I venture to guess
9-7 or 10-6 for me. Your defense is still pretty good, remember?
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With Moss, Stallworth, and Welker?

With that brick wall of an o-line?

You're crazy. They would still be good. Just not a machine.
Lets just stick to your argument that QB is not the single most important position on an NFL team.
Using the Pats as an example, are they hurt more by the loss of:

Tom Brady or Matt Light

Tom Brady or Logan Mankins

Tom Brady or Dan Koppen

Tom Brady or Randy Moss

Tom Brady or Laurence Maroney

Tom Brady or Wes Welker

Tom Brady or Ben Watson

Tom Brady or Richard Seymour

Tom Brady or Tedy Bruschi

Tom Brady or Rodney Harrison

Tom Brady or Roosevelt Colvin

Tom Brady or Vince Wilfork

Tom Brady or Adalieus Thomas

Tom Brady or Assante Samuel

Tom Brady or Ty Warren

Tom Brady or Stephen Gostkowski

and so on...if you answered anything other than "Tom Brady" on any of the above, you're lying...offensive line is very important, but as many others have said, its 5 positions (6 if you count the TE), QB is the single most important position, no question.
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9-7 or 10-6 for me. Your defense is still pretty good, remember?
True, but that D will have to be on the field more and stop the opponent more if Brady is not under center as the Pats will score much less and possess the ball less.
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Anyway, my original point was that Eli Manning didn't deserve all the credit for the Giants' current run, but rather some props should be doled out to the superior play of their o-line, some consistent catching from their WRs, and their currently excellent running game, which of course snowballed into this debate.

QBs. Leaders of the offense. All the decent offenses have a consistent man behind center, and the crappy ones seem to have a new QB every week. No coincidence there. However, I simply believe they get too much credit from the general populous, and it's happening here in Eli's case.

That is all.
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I tend to see Eli getting bashed more than I see him getting credit, so I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
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I tend to see Eli getting bashed more than I see him getting credit, so I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
Perhaps up until they beat the Cowboys. Now all of a sudden he's a dominating, pro-bowl caliber QB. I suppose it's not undeserved, but I just believe there's more to it than some New Year's resolution he made to stop being mediocre.
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I tend to see Eli getting bashed more than I see him getting credit, so I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
Until 4 weeks ago maybe, but I've heard no Eli bashing during the playoffs. He's played well. Is he the main reason the G-men are in the Super Bowl, no. They have played well as an entire unit. But Eli has stepped up his game considerably. He has not turned the ball over in the playoffs. So he deserves praise and some credit, certainly not all the credit.
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Yeah, that's true about the playoffs. I think him stepping up has helped them a lot, too. Certainly, the play of their defensive line and a good running game have been the main reasons for their success.

Congrats to the Giants, by the way. You'll rarely get that from me, but you get it now.
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